Binos Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: This is it. This case has just confirmed you can turn up to black lives matter events with a gun, antagonise folk, then kill them, and get away with it. Fairly sure there's enough nutters in America to try this a few times now. Which will lead to the other half deciding they'll just shoot first, then the police start shooting everyone, and the whole thing spirals. Genuinely no idea where America goes now. They're too far gone to change gun rules or stop the growing divide in their country. They genuinely seem to be fucked. It's already well gone since columbine era There are mass shootings every week Hundreds in a year 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 The problem is if you take each shooting as being unconnected and occupying a separate 10 second window then the self defence argument probably stands. It doesn't answer what he was doing there, that and a "good ole boy" as judge got him off, he should consider himself very lucky. I've seen opinions stating the prosecution should've spent more time considering what was achievable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 A great day for people who love defending “technically legal but morally abhorrent” acts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Gets away with murder, then most probably will become very rich, as I’m sure there’s someone worth suing after all this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: A great day for people who love defending “technically legal but morally abhorrent” acts. ^^^George Zimmerman's lawyers like this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priti priti priti Patel Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) On 20/11/2021 at 16:28, NotThePars said: A great day for people who love defending “technically legal but morally abhorrent” acts. This is the thing. I came into the case thinking that it was going to be morally abhorrent. However, after watching a lot of the live footage of the trial, it became obvious the media hasn't reported the facts accurately, and as I previously mentioned I do think the boy can be cut some (not all) slack. I personally find America's approach to guns bizarre and scary. However, I won't judge a 17 year old who has grown up in that culture for just going along with what's normal for him. I appreciate not everyone will feel this way. The thing about him travelling "across state lines" is misdirection by the prosecutor. He travelled about 25 minutes. His home town, and the town where it happened, are physically connected. They just happen to lie on either side of the state border. His dad and dad's side of the family live in the town where it happened, his mates live there, he worked at the swimming pool there. It's not like he travelled for hours and hours. He also wasn't itching for a fight. He was in that town the night before it happened, staying at his best mate's house. There were riots that night too. His best mate had guns. They all just stayed at home. The next day he was out cleaning graffiti and a business owner offered to pay him and his mate to come and protect their shop later that night. I don't think he's faultless. My criticisms are these: (a) it's mad that you can pay a 17 year old to protect your business with guns; (b) he left the business premises with a fire extinguisher to put out fires. That was unnecessary; (c) when people started shouting at him, he just yelled "friendly, friendly, friendly", thinking that would calm them down. I think he was naive; (d) as it escalated (before the first shooting), he just ran away rather than fronting up and defusing the situation. I think he was scared and immature. However, the only people he shot were already attacking him. He declined to shoot anyone who stopped attacking after he raised his gun. The guy who survived, who himself was carrying a Glock, had travelled three times further than Rittenhouse and had no connection to the town. There's a snippet from the Tucker Carlson interview now been released where he says he actually supports BLM. It will be interesting to see what he says in the full interview. For now, my main feeling is just disgust at continued inaccurate and lazy media reporting, from both left and right, which is unnecessarily polarising Americans, backed up by reckless, self-interested comments from politicians (again, left and right). Edited November 22, 2021 by Priti priti priti Patel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Fucking hell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 20/11/2021 at 16:28, NotThePars said: A great day for people who love defending “technically legal but morally abhorrent” acts. The Bobby Madden defence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said: This is the thing. I came into the case Maybe you should stick to coming into cases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 America really is a backwards shithole of a country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Priti priti priti Patel said: Regardless of whatever else this is it's certainly a sad life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priti priti priti Patel Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Regardless of whatever else this is it's certainly a sad life. I take it from this you remain totally unpersuaded. I am genuinely curious as to why. For example, do you just sort of assume the facts I have stated are made up/distorted, or are they not that relevant to you, etc? Not sure how else to convey it but I am just genuinely interested. Edited November 22, 2021 by Priti priti priti Patel -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Would this would be the same Tucker Carlson that caused two of his colleagues at Fox to resign in disgust after stating his 3-part series on the Jan 6 insurrection "relied on fabrications and conspiracy theories to exonerate the Trump supporters who participated in the attack"? That's who we're listening to on this topic? Tucker...fucking...Carlson? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Amusing/terrifying video about Tucker "what is white supremacy?" Carlson: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priti priti priti Patel Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) I am not suggesting anyone listen to Tucker Carlson. The video clip above only has Rittenhouse speaking in it. In fact, as a measure of what an "extremist" he's supposed to be, he's went on Tucker Carlson (who - unsolicited - helped raise money for his bail fund) and said he supports BLM and the protest movement, which is probably in the Top 1 things Tucker Carlson doesn't want to hear. Who said we are listening to Tucker Carlson? Edited November 22, 2021 by Priti priti priti Patel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 21 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said: I am not suggesting anyone listen to Tucker Carlson. The video clip above only has Rittenhouse speaking in it. In fact, as a measure of what an "extremist" he's supposed to be, he's went on Tucker Carlson (who - unsolicited - helped raise money for his bail fund) and said he supports BLM and the protest movement, which is probably in the Top 1 things Tucker Carlson doesn't want to hear. Who said we are listening to Tucker Carlson? That's just the kind of thing he wants on his programme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, BFTD said: he supports BLM and the protest movement, which is probably in the Top 1 things Tucker Carlson doesn't want to hear. Nothing better to wind up the commie libtards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priti priti priti Patel Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Aite, well, I listened to the trial because I enjoy law, my career, and enjoyed the procedural arguments. I then heard facts, accepted by both prosecution and defence, which contradict what was reported in the media and which paint the events in a different light. Those facts undermine both the left wing and right wing narratives. No-one here has disputed those facts, or posted other facts which support the general narrative, but instead just said things like I must be racist, or have a sad life, or am mental because I have a dissenting view of things. Failing to engage with the issues, calling people names, holding firm to opinions regardless of the evidence presented, and seeking to explain dissenting evidence as part of some machiavellian conspiracy - these are evidently not the sole preserve of the American right wing. I had hoped to have a decent conversation. P&B is usually so much better than the above. Edited November 22, 2021 by Priti priti priti Patel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, Priti priti priti Patel said: Who said we are listening to Tucker Carlson? You don't think he scripted Rittenhouse? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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