Aim Here Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: I can see how some people become so entrenched in their views. Basically what you're telling me is that the 'left' don't commit false flags, but when something hateful appears and is attributed to the 'left' it must be a false flag committed by the 'right'. I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis, and use your judgement. You'd be super hard-pressed to find anyone within BLM or on the left in general who'd agree with defacing a Robert the Bruce statue on such obviously spurious grounds - and these are the guys who have no problem with tearing down a statue they don't like and dunking it in Bristol Harbour. Why would some BLM activist get it into their head that Robert the Bruce was a racist? Nobody genuinely thinks that, and Black Lives matter people tend to know far more than the average person about famous historical racists. I wouldn't have known Edward Colston from Adam before his statue was taken down, and I suspect you wouldn't have, either. Robert The Bruce makes no sense as a target and it's out of character for BLM. However, it IS in character for the right to try to denigrate BLM with phoney propaganda, though. They've been doing it for the last few years, and it's undeniable that Black Lives Matter is currently a target for far-right black propaganda. It is possible that this is a genuine BLM defacement, but it's highly unlikely. Until they catch the right-wing scrote responsible, it's down to a balance of probabilities! 3 hours ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: I'm sure false flags are as old as time itself. Even as a kid, I remember one of my pals came up with the idea of scratching the class nerd's name into a table, in order tl get him into trouble. The alleged assault on Jussie Smollett is an immediate example of a hoax hate crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_alleged_assault The other one that springs to mind is the Covington School boys, where the media selectively edited footage to portray them as intimidating ethnic minorities, when the footage literally proved they were the ones initially being intimidated. There are a few instances of individuals fabricating hate crimes for various purposes, sure, and Smollett is one I'd have in mind too. I can't think of a single case of an organized left-wing political group intentionally perpetrating a false flag attack, though, whereas it's much more commonplace from right-wing actors. I wouldn't be surprised if there maybe was a left-wing attack somewhere in all of history (the place to look might be Stalinist Russia), but if so, they're super-rare, unlike the ones perpetrated by the right. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Gaz FFC said: Laptops getting a hell of a bashing. You certainly wouldn’t want a ***dance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Drunk guy gets a second prize, thought the Russians showed them that these bullish antics were no good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 It’s a cut throat business this protesting malarkey apparently, left, right, all the same, c***s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Sounds similar to Rangers getting pumped at home off Hamilton twice in three years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Aim Here said: I'm not saying anything of the sort. I'm saying that you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis, and use your judgement. You'd be super hard-pressed to find anyone within BLM or on the left in general who'd agree with defacing a Robert the Bruce statue on such obviously spurious grounds - and these are the guys who have no problem with tearing down a statue they don't like and dunking it in Bristol Harbour. Why would some BLM activist get it into their head that Robert the Bruce was a racist? Nobody genuinely thinks that, and Black Lives matter people tend to know far more than the average person about famous historical racists. I wouldn't have known Edward Colston from Adam before his statue was taken down, and I suspect you wouldn't have, either. Robert The Bruce makes no sense as a target and it's out of character for BLM. However, it IS in character for the right to try to denigrate BLM with phoney propaganda, though. They've been doing it for the last few years, and it's undeniable that Black Lives Matter is currently a target for far-right black propaganda. It is possible that this is a genuine BLM defacement, but it's highly unlikely. Until they catch the right-wing scrote responsible, it's down to a balance of probabilities! There are a few instances of individuals fabricating hate crimes for various purposes, sure, and Smollett is one I'd have in mind too. I can't think of a single case of an organized left-wing political group intentionally perpetrating a false flag attack, though, whereas it's much more commonplace from right-wing actors. I wouldn't be surprised if there maybe was a left-wing attack somewhere in all of history (the place to look might be Stalinist Russia), but if so, they're super-rare, unlike the ones perpetrated by the right. If I'm honest I did think the Bruce statue was possibly done by Unionists looking to cause division amongst nationalists. BTW, I'm out of here for the next few days, now. I find this thread and these recent events to be thoroughly depressing. I am full of foreboding as to where all of this will lead, especially given the potential economic crisis we're likely to endure. This will not end well, though I hope I'm wrong. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out then champ; you won't be missed. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: If I'm honest I did think the Bruce statue was possibly done by Unionists looking to cause division amongst nationalists. BTW, I'm out of here for the next few days, now. I find this thread and these recent events to be thoroughly depressing. I am full of foreboding as to where all of this will lead, especially given the potential economic crisis we're likely to endure. This will not end well, though I hope I'm wrong. Why would you think in your mind that it would cause division amongst nationalists? Enlighten me. Edited June 13, 2020 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Why would you think in your mind that it would cause division amongst nationalists? Enlighten me. I'm supposed to be 'out of here', but I feel rude by not responding to a direct question. So, just to make people aware, after this reply, I will not be posting in this thread for a few days. and will not reply to any questions. Many of the nationalists I know, possibly the majority, are staunch republicans. Their reaction is likely to be "Meh! So what? He was a privileged king anyway. Who gives a f**k? We should be looking to the future Scotland - diverse, multicultural, equitable. Royalty sucks! I'd be quite happy if it was pulled down. The Bruce has nothing to do with the sort of nationalism I support or the Scotland I envisage! Let's build a workers' paradise." Some might even agree, given that he was racist against Saxons. Other nationalists I know are more traditional. Aye, most of them are still pretty woke, but they also value Scotland's past. The majority cherish Scotland's past and share it with everybody. They value Scottish history, Gaelic, Scots, Burns. "We're all Jock Tamson's bairns." They'd probably be pretty annoyed by it. In a nutshell, Scottish nationalism is mostly woke. Many supporters wouldn't condemn Black Lives Matter, and if the hoax were believed would refuse to condemn, and perhaps even justify, the graffiti. I hope that makes sense. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: I'm supposed to be 'out of here', but I feel rude by not responding to a direct question. So, just to make people aware, after this reply, I will not be posting in this thread for a few days. and will not reply to any questions. Many of the nationalists I know, possibly the majority, are staunch republicans. Their reaction is likely to be "Meh! So what? He was a privileged king anyway. Who gives a f**k? We should be looking to the future Scotland - diverse, multicultural, equitable. Royalty sucks! I'd be quite happy if it was pulled down. The Bruce has nothing to do with the sort of nationalism I support or the Scotland I envisage! Let's build a workers' paradise." Some might even agree, given that he was racist against Saxons. Other nationalists I know are more traditional. Aye, most of them are still pretty woke, but they also value Scotland's past. The majority cherish Scotland's past and share it with everybody. They value Scottish history, Gaelic, Scots, Burns. "We're all Jock Tamson's bairns." They'd probably be pretty annoyed by it. In a nutshell, Scottish nationalism is mostly woke. Many supporters wouldn't condemn Black Lives Matter, and if the hoax were believed would refuse to condemn, and perhaps even justify, the graffiti. I hope that makes sense. Shut up ya fanny. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Fratelli said: A group of Wrexham fans (who consider themselves to be left leaning) apparently ambushed the 'football lads' too. The 'links to Celtic'. and 'Links to the IRA' comments are a good laugh. The boyos of the old brigade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: What happened in George Sq? Some crew calling themselves the Loyalist Defense League which seems to be a cover name for the local Adolf Fan Club, decided to hang around the Square looking like Sevco casuals. Going by the number of iPhones snapping away Antifa have everyone of the grunts coupons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Kicking off in Atlanta 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Wasn't there something happening in London yesterday that more important that shopping? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Pretty good live feed should you feel inclined 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: I'm supposed to be 'out of here', but I feel rude by not responding to a direct question. So, just to make people aware, after this reply, I will not be posting in this thread for a few days. and will not reply to any questions. Many of the nationalists I know, possibly the majority, are staunch republicans. Their reaction is likely to be "Meh! So what? He was a privileged king anyway. Who gives a f**k? We should be looking to the future Scotland - diverse, multicultural, equitable. Royalty sucks! I'd be quite happy if it was pulled down. The Bruce has nothing to do with the sort of nationalism I support or the Scotland I envisage! Let's build a workers' paradise." Some might even agree, given that he was racist against Saxons. Other nationalists I know are more traditional. Aye, most of them are still pretty woke, but they also value Scotland's past. The majority cherish Scotland's past and share it with everybody. They value Scottish history, Gaelic, Scots, Burns. "We're all Jock Tamson's bairns." They'd probably be pretty annoyed by it. In a nutshell, Scottish nationalism is mostly woke. Many supporters wouldn't condemn Black Lives Matter, and if the hoax were believed would refuse to condemn, and perhaps even justify, the graffiti. I hope that makes sense. That first characterisation of independence supporters exists mainly inside your head imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Albertlegend said: Why are the football lads bunch attacking the police? I thought after last week they were on the same team as the police? Are they raging the police are protecting statues and they aren't? They showed up hoping to fight antifa supporters but as they didn’t show up in great force the only people left to fight were the polis. Saw a group of them storming a park and then there were a few young people male and female enjoying a picnic who the angry crowd stood over telling them to f**k off basically. Was truly saddening to see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sergeant Wilson Posted June 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 14, 2020 10 hours ago, Del79 said: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-britain-v/in-london-skirmishes-suspected-far-right-protester-is-rescued-idUSKBN23K0QI BLM protester helps injured Far Right demonstrator He threw him into the Thames. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Take that you gammon c**t! 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 46 minutes ago, throbber said: Take that you gammon c**t! That might dampen his enthusiasm for involvement in any future protest events. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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