Cancel culture

[GiGi]

On 30/07/2020 at 17:27, Highland Capital said:

Jim Davidson is a horrid racist moron.  Any reason to cancel him is a good one.

Just seen his rant about Diversity and BLM from last week. Ooft he must just post videos when he runs out of drink at 5  in the morning the stupid old c**t. Looks more like Jackson Carlaw than himself these days.

15 hours ago, NotThePars said:

I think that Brock Lesnar should be repeatedly pepper sprayed if I want to fight him in the Octagon or else it isn't fair.

Brock Lesnar does not need eyes he'd probably find you by smelling the fear and still rip your limbs off.

12 hours ago, Detournement said:

The entire basis of women's sport is based on fairness.

So if there was a 6'9" women she'd be excluded from a basketball event or what?

Edited September 16, 2020 by GiGi

[The Moonster]

15 hours ago, NotThePars said:

I think that Brock Lesnar should be repeatedly pepper sprayed if I want to fight him in the Octagon or else it isn't fair.

Not sure a guy who uses PEDs is the greatest comparison, but I do agree with your general point.

12 hours ago, Detournement said:

Phelps isn't a good comparison. He doesn't have any other organs that his competitors don't have.

The thread I linked to explains that going through male puberty provides huge physical advantages. 

Phelps has size 14 webbed feet and his ankles are double jointed, which allows him to extend his feet a further 15 degrees than most swimmers. He is also hyper jointed in his chest which allows him more flexibility than other swimmers. He has clear physical advantages. But he's a white guy so wow how great is he.

[Gordon EF]

15 hours ago, NotThePars said:

I think that Brock Lesnar should be repeatedly pepper sprayed if I want to fight him in the Octagon or else it isn't fair.

I think you're going to need more than pepper spray m9.

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

 

Phelps has size 14 webbed feet and his ankles are double jointed, which allows him to extend his feet a further 15 degrees than most swimmers. He is also hyper jointed in his chest which allows him more flexibility than other swimmers. He has clear physical advantages. But he's a white guy so wow how great is he.

He is an XY male.

Also he doesn't have webbed feet. And I'd take the rest of it with a pinch of salt as those kinds of tales are often used to deflect from doping. 

Edited September 16, 2020 by Detournement

[DA Baracus]

Batman probably has some good tips on taking on Brock Lesnar, chief among them being 'don't give him your back'.

[The Moonster]

1 minute ago, Detournement said:

He is an XY male.

You're an XY knob.

[hk blues]

13 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Not sure a guy who uses PEDs is the greatest comparison, but I do agree with your general point.

Phelps has size 14 webbed feet and his ankles are double jointed, which allows him to extend his feet a further 15 degrees than most swimmers. He is also hyper jointed in his chest which allows him more flexibility than other swimmers. He has clear physical advantages. But he's a white guy so wow how great is he.

I've no dog in this race, but I wonder if the fact Phelps "advantage" is not something that can be chemically created makes a difference to how it's perceived? 

Just a thought. 

[Rugster]

59 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

 

Phelps has size 14 webbed feet 

So really Great Britain should have had all those gold medals attributed then, as he must be from Fife.

[Detournement]

He doesn't have webbed feet. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 hours ago, MixuFruit said:

Was there not a race where one of the losers said she was happy to be the 2nd placed European woman or whatever. On this basis alone I am 100% team Semenya.

Yes, shortly afterwards she was paraded like a hero at Snake Mountain. 

[Bairnardo]

What's interesting about this implementation of a handicap to curtail a natural "advantage" is the lack of similar measures taken elsewhere. There are solo sportspeople with clear physical advantages over their competition. Phelps being one particular example, but plenty of examples in sport where the physical makeup of an athlete puts them over the top in terms of getting results. Heavyweight boxing, and even boxing in general where the single criteria to be met is weight yet size often has a big say in a fight.

Also in team sports. We have effectively been told by the powers that be that PSG and Man City for example, have not gained their financial advantages in an unfair way. Mercedes absolutely battering f**k out of F1 seemingly all fair. All of these are globally supported teams.

Why is it that Caster Semenya is being singled out for this treatment? Why is no one actively clamouring for full on hormone regulation in athletics, with testing and treatment to ensure everyone is the same? That would be the fair way to do it no?

Of course, all of the above also assumes the validity of the advantage she has, the science for which seems to be pretty sketchy, and also dismisses the fact that she hasnt actually swept the board like some unbeatable 800m miracle since she started running, and also dismisses the hard work and dedication and talent she has, which are the real reasons for her success.

Someone of the language used by sanctimonious arsehole Seb Coe is pretty telling here and this article probably is the reason why at the time I said I thought Semenya was being used as a warning shot in the forthcoming battle between women's sport and the transgender community. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1084951/seb-coe-on-caster-semenya-responsibility

[coprolite]

11 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

What's interesting about this implementation of a handicap to curtail a natural "advantage" is the lack of similar measures taken elsewhere. There are solo sportspeople with clear physical advantages over their competition. Phelps being one particular example, but plenty of examples in sport where the physical makeup of an athlete puts them over the top in terms of getting results. Heavyweight boxing, and even boxing in general where the single criteria to be met is weight yet size often has a big say in a fight.

Also in team sports. We have effectively been told by the powers that be that PSG and Man City for example, have not gained their financial advantages in an unfair way. Mercedes absolutely battering f**k out of F1 seemingly all fair. All of these are globally supported teams.

Why is it that Caster Semenya is being singled out for this treatment? Why is no one actively clamouring for full on hormone regulation in athletics, with testing and treatment to ensure everyone is the same? That would be the fair way to do it no?

Of course, all of the above also assumes the validity of the advantage she has, the science for which seems to be pretty sketchy, and also dismisses the fact that she hasnt actually swept the board like some unbeatable 800m miracle since she started running, and also dismisses the hard work and dedication and talent she has, which are the real reasons for her success.

Someone of the language used by sanctimonious arsehole Seb Coe is pretty telling here and this article probably is the reason why at the time I said I thought Semenya was being used as a warning shot in the forthcoming battle between women's sport and the transgender community. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1084951/seb-coe-on-caster-semenya-responsibility

I didn't know what to think about this issue but the diametrically opposite view to seb coe is always right. 

[Bairnardo]

6 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I didn't know what to think about this issue but the diametrically opposite view to seb coe is always right. 

He really is a horrible c**t of a man, and a Tory. 

[Gordon EF]

18 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

What's interesting about this implementation of a handicap to curtail a natural "advantage" is the lack of similar measures taken elsewhere. There are solo sportspeople with clear physical advantages over their competition. Phelps being one particular example, but plenty of examples in sport where the physical makeup of an athlete puts them over the top in terms of getting results. Heavyweight boxing, and even boxing in general where the single criteria to be met is weight yet size often has a big say in a fight.

Also in team sports. We have effectively been told by the powers that be that PSG and Man City for example, have not gained their financial advantages in an unfair way. Mercedes absolutely battering f**k out of F1 seemingly all fair. All of these are globally supported teams.

Why is it that Caster Semenya is being singled out for this treatment? Why is no one actively clamouring for full on hormone regulation in athletics, with testing and treatment to ensure everyone is the same? That would be the fair way to do it no?

Of course, all of the above also assumes the validity of the advantage she has, the science for which seems to be pretty sketchy, and also dismisses the fact that she hasnt actually swept the board like some unbeatable 800m miracle since she started running, and also dismisses the hard work and dedication and talent she has, which are the real reasons for her success.

Someone of the language used by sanctimonious arsehole Seb Coe is pretty telling here and this article probably is the reason why at the time I said I thought Semenya was being used as a warning shot in the forthcoming battle between women's sport and the transgender community. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1084951/seb-coe-on-caster-semenya-responsibility

The Caster Semenya case is a really difficult one for me in a lot of ways. I agree with a lot of what you say but don't agree that she's being singled out in a way that's hypocritical, given that we don't account for "natural" advantages in others sports.

Most sports simply don't have rules built in to account for advantages. Aside from weight classifications in combat sports, the only two that are fairly ubiquitous are age and sex. Rightly or wrongly, that's how sports works. There are plenty of different opinions about sex and gender and whatever your position, it's fairly clear that  sporting bodies are more likely to intervene when someone's age or sex is brought into question, as opposed to "He's really tall, it's no fair" from a short basketball player.

[Bairnardo]

12 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

The Caster Semenya case is a really difficult one for me in a lot of ways. I agree with a lot of what you say but don't agree that she's being singled out in a way that's hypocritical, given that we don't account for "natural" advantages in others sports.

Most sports simply don't have rules built in to account for advantages. Aside from weight classifications in combat sports, the only two that are fairly ubiquitous are age and sex. Rightly or wrongly, that's how sports works. There are plenty of different opinions about sex and gender and whatever your position, it's fairly clear that  sporting bodies are more likely to intervene when someone's age or sex is brought into question, as opposed to "He's really tall, it's no fair" from a short basketball player.

But she is being targeted in a proxy war against athletes who might potentially in the future, according to certain people, become transgender in order to take over women's sport. Its ridiculous by any measure. Singled out is precisely what's happening. She is a convenient test case for them.... Convenient in almost all ways, except that everything about her is completely natural and the way she was born, but too many folk have already decided to sacrifice their own dignity and hers at the altar of " aye but she looks a bit like a man eh?"

We are literally looking to handicap an athlete by way of using drugs. Honestly just stand back and think about that. That's what the final conclusion of all of this public, high profile humiliation she has endured is. That she cannot defend a title she dedicated her life to winning, perfectly legally, unless she agrees to change herself using drugs.

 

[ICTChris]

5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

What's interesting about this implementation of a handicap to curtail a natural "advantage" is the lack of similar measures taken elsewhere. There are solo sportspeople with clear physical advantages over their competition. Phelps being one particular example, but plenty of examples in sport where the physical makeup of an athlete puts them over the top in terms of getting results. Heavyweight boxing, and even boxing in general where the single criteria to be met is weight yet size often has a big say in a fight.

Also in team sports. We have effectively been told by the powers that be that PSG and Man City for example, have not gained their financial advantages in an unfair way. Mercedes absolutely battering f**k out of F1 seemingly all fair. All of these are globally supported teams.

Why is it that Caster Semenya is being singled out for this treatment? Why is no one actively clamouring for full on hormone regulation in athletics, with testing and treatment to ensure everyone is the same? That would be the fair way to do it no?

Of course, all of the above also assumes the validity of the advantage she has, the science for which seems to be pretty sketchy, and also dismisses the fact that she hasnt actually swept the board like some unbeatable 800m miracle since she started running, and also dismisses the hard work and dedication and talent she has, which are the real reasons for her success.

Someone of the language used by sanctimonious arsehole Seb Coe is pretty telling here and this article probably is the reason why at the time I said I thought Semenya was being used as a warning shot in the forthcoming battle between women's sport and the transgender community. https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1084951/seb-coe-on-caster-semenya-responsibility

I posted a thread about this on General Nonsense before and it has some good articles about the Caster Semenya issue.

The main difficulty with the Semenya case is that we divide athletics (and the vast majority of sport) into men and women's competition.  This is because men are, in the majoirty of cases and certainly when it comes to elite athletics, stronger and faster than women.  One reason for this is that men produce far more testosterone than women because men have testes whereas women have ovaries.  I don't think it's ever been publicly stated what condition Semenya has but it's likely to be an intersex condition where she has internal testes rather than ovaries, thus producing high levels of testosterone giving a potential advantage in athletics.

Regarding hormone regulation, testing and treatment, this does happen and there have been other athletes who have similar conditions and have gone through the same thing Semenya has, she is just the most high profile.  Also, I don't think anyone doubts her hard work and talent - you don't become an elite athlete without it, even if you have advantages.  

[Gordon EF]

5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

But she is being targeted in a proxy war against athletes who might potentially in the future, according to certain people, become transgender in order to take over women's sport. Its ridiculous by any measure. Singled out is precisely what's happening. She is a convenient test case for them.... Convenient in almost all ways, except that everything about her is completely natural and the way she was born, but too many folk have already decided to sacrifice their own dignity and hers at the altar of " aye but she looks a bit like a man eh?"

We are literally looking to handicap an athlete by way of using drugs. Honestly just stand back and think about that. That's what the final conclusion of all of this public, high profile humiliation she has endured is. That she cannot defend a title she dedicated her life to winning, perfectly legally, unless she agrees to change herself using drugs.

 

I'm not arguing against any of that tbf. I'm just saying that the specific argument of "It's unfair to even focus on Caster Semenya when nobody bothers than Michael Phelps has natural physical advantages over other swimmers" doesn't make sense because the alleged advantage Semenya has is related to sex, which is something every single sport covers in it's rules. I don't know of any similar rule covering height, lung capacity, feet size, etc.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

You would never think that Seb Coe was a #Torycunt.  He just doesnt look the type.

Spoiler

 

[Bairnardo]

15 minutes ago, Gordon EF said:

I'm not arguing against any of that tbf. I'm just saying that the specific argument of "It's unfair to even focus on Caster Semenya when nobody bothers than Michael Phelps has natural physical advantages over other swimmers" doesn't make sense because the alleged advantage Semenya has is related to sex, which is something every single sport covers in it's rules. I don't know of any similar rule covering height, lung capacity, feet size, etc.

I do understand it's a total minefield, and as no more than a sports fan and someone trying to navigate life and remain a decent c**t as much as I can, it's easy for me to maybe over simplify it, but this particular case is a gruelling watch with some really unsavoury stuff happening and I believe it to be a witch hunt and as I said, a proxy war with some really bigoted viewpoints driving it. The merits of the individual case get lost somewhat when it becomes clear that its not actually about the individual, who is simply being fed to the wolves as part of the above. 

[ICTChris]

1 minute ago, MixuFruit said:

If this is such a big issue, how come we don't just do what they do for the paralympics? If you're more severely disabled than your competitors in a given sport you get an adjustment. It was all explained very well in 2013 on channel 4.

So every athlete should get a testosterone measurement pre-race and are then handicapped appropriately?  Or should we get rid of mens and women's athletics and operate by divisions of T ratings? 

To say that opens a can of worms is an understatement.