Detournement Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Angusfifer said: The amount of folk on here that don't get the fact that Larry is ridiculing racism and homophobia by being an arsehole defies belief There's a bit more to it than that. He's also cashing in on it being funny because it's trangressive. There's plenty of racism and homophobia on Seinfeld as well with the Puerto Rico day episode being too racist for the 90s. Stuff like the Black family moving in after Katrina wouldn't fly at all now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Angusfifer said: The amount of folk on here that don't get the fact that Larry is ridiculing racism and homophobia by being an arsehole defies belief But that is the point. Love Thy Neighbour claimed the white guy, Eddie, was the butt of the joke, Alf Garnet, was the butt. But, very recently, people took offense to The Mighty Boosh and The Simpsons! Who decides Alf Garnet is bad but Larry David is acceptable? Context should matter, but it no longer does to some. To me, this is Cancel Culture - "I don't like it, get it (or them) destroyed." And with Scotland's new proposed Free Speech law - thankfully it is taking as much abuse as the football bigotry law - things will not be getting better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mr Waldo said: But that is the point. Love Thy Neighbour claimed the white guy, Eddie, was the butt of the joke, Alf Garnet, was the butt. But, very recently, people took offense to The Mighty Boosh and The Simpsons! Who decides Alf Garnet is bad but Larry David is acceptable? Context should matter, but it no longer does to some. To me, this is Cancel Culture - "I don't like it, get it (or them) destroyed." And with Scotland's new proposed Free Speech law - thankfully it is taking as much abuse as the football bigotry law - things will not be getting better. Who actually took offense to The Mighty Boosh and The Simpsons? I don't know anyone, it was probably a newspaper latching on to a dafty on facebook. The same as "cancel culture", it's invented nonsense stirred up by modern day Jim Davidsons who can't get bookings because they're shit at what they do. P.S. You're getting your racist sitcoms mixed up, Alf Garnett was in Till Death us do Part. Edited July 29, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Who has actually been cancelled? As far as I can work it out basically legit paedo Milo and no one else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Hopkins must be on her way soon, lost libel, sold house to pay costs, kicked off Twitter... Wiley just recently as well. Deserved c***s, the system works well. I seem to be getting loads of prompts on YouTube for Hopkins which is weird as I only use it for watching old football videos and soft porn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Who has actually been cancelled? As far as I can work it out basically legit paedo Milo and no one else. Tommy "the refugee" Robinson? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: Who actually took offense to The Mighty Boosh and The Simpsons? I don't know anyone, it was probably a newspaper latching on to a dafty on facebook. The same as "cancel culture", it's invented nonsense stirred up by modern day Jim Davidsons who can't get bookings because they're shit at what they do. P.S. You're getting your racist sitcoms mixed up, Alf Garnett was in Till Death us do Part. This it for me, I can't remember an example of people actually arranging protests etc about a particular tv show being offensive, the "if you don't like it don't watch it" solution works. Some TV stations etc decide to pull things or remove actors because of potential blowback, usually prompted by no more than a few dozen people on Twitter wondering out loud about whether Apu from the Simpsons might be a wee bit sketchy. As always with anything to do with cancel culture though, it's pounced on by the most cynical p***ks around - Gervais, Maher, Chappelle etc as a way of remaining the underdog while being at the top of their fields and making money hand over fist. It then takes folk like the OP and convinces them there's some sort of problem with pinko lefties insisting TV shows which lampoon or discuss racism be cancelled for being offensive, when it is literally those people who watch those shows 7 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Download blocktube extension for Chrome or whatever, keyword block Hopkins. I don't know how people use normal fascist YouTube. Even just not having targeted ads on YouTube is a beautiful thing. I get non targeted, which means I'm offered countless ways of making 10k online within weeks by watching a video training, how to become a top PUA, a military grade "tactical pen" and some Netflix style service for crackpot conspiracy docs Edited July 30, 2020 by Genuine Hibs Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 People talking about TV shows and their content is deliberate muddying of the water to move discourse away from discussion about genuine prejudice and injustice in the real world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 9 hours ago, welshbairn said: Who actually took offense to The Mighty Boosh and The Simpsons? I don't know anyone, it was probably a newspaper latching on to a dafty on facebook. The same as "cancel culture", it's invented nonsense stirred up by modern day Jim Davidsons who can't get bookings because they're shit at what they do. P.S. You're getting your racist sitcoms mixed up, Alf Garnett was in Till Death us do Part. A guy I follow on Twitter Shuja Haider played a big part I getting Apu banned. His parents are from Pakistan and getting called Apu seems to be the American version of Paki with kids getting bullied at school having it thrown at them as an insult. It seems daft to me but plenty of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi Americans definitely felt strongly about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: A guy I follow on Twitter Shuja Haider played a big part I getting Apu banned. His parents are from Pakistan and getting called Apu seems to be the American version of Paki with kids getting bullied at school having it thrown at them as an insult. It seems daft to me but plenty of Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi Americans definitely felt strongly about it. Apu would 100% be offensive in an isolated show full of normal characters. The point with the Simpsons is that every character is a caricature of a stereotype. If you were to find groundskeeper Willie and Fat Tony hilarious but get angry at Apu then you've probably missed the point. Take the point about school kids though, that 100% happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Most of these TV shows getting pulled are a result of the services that carry them protecting themselves proactively. In some cases they clearly get over zealous. They are acting in their own self interest, not at the behest of, or for the benefit of, any particular group of people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I thought the big issue with Apu wasn’t the character in and of itself, but that he was voiced by a white guy doing a (fairly racist) impression of an Indian accent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 People talking about TV shows and their content is deliberate muddying of the water to move discourse away from discussion about genuine prejudice and injustice in the real world.So you agree that the tv shows being pulled is a step too far?People are putting all these things together, and mixing up serious issues with trivial ones. That's my concern with the zealots that are pushing some of these campaigns.If you're going to claim it's a conspiracy, created to distract from the real issues, then you're going to have to provide evidence for that. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 21:58, pandarilla said: I have an old hospital friend who I have a lot of respect for. He's a retired philosophy lecturer and is politically left wing. His take on cancel culture backed up mie, and he shared the following article with me. I don't profess to be particularly intellectual but I think I'm pretty good at getting to the heart of issues. Can anyone deconstruct the arguments put forward here? https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/10/why-i-signed-the-harpers-cancel-culture-letter/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 (edited) Judging by the recent trajectory of this thread the argument will soon pivot to we should read this Stormfront article about why Apu was actually a generous depiction of South Asian Americans Edited July 30, 2020 by Genuine Hibs Fan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Judging by the recent trajectory of this thread the argument will soon pivot to we should read this Stormfront article about why Apu was actually a generous depiction of South Asian AmericansThe Simpsons is a massive insult to all bright yellow Americans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 59 minutes ago, pandarilla said: So you agree that the tv shows being pulled is a step too far? People are putting all these things together, and mixing up serious issues with trivial ones. That's my concern with the zealots that are pushing some of these campaigns. If you're going to claim it's a conspiracy, created to distract from the real issues, then you're going to have to provide evidence for that. Where did I say any of that? It's not some grand conspiracy. It's individuals deliberately bringing in something comparatively trivial to dilute a more crucial, fundamental point. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 11 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Download blocktube extension for Chrome or whatever, keyword block Hopkins. I don't know how people use normal fascist YouTube. I got a recommendation this morning for a video by that boy with the Nazi dog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 I'm interested in reading a non-biased article about the pre-WW2 economy in Germany. Can anyone tell me whether it's safe to ignore Der Sturmer is going to be just propaganda or do I have to read it to 'make up my own mind'? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Marshmallo said: People talking about TV shows and their content is deliberate muddying of the water to move discourse away from discussion about genuine prejudice and injustice in the real world. Its so ridiculous, the one that was shouted loudest obviously was the Inbetweeners which wasn't even removed for the same reasons. https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/inbetweeners-removed-youtube-cancelled-watch-stream-episodes-britbox-all4-copyright-a9560251.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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