Cancel culture

[Detournement]

8 hours ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said:

Recently someone (an idiot) posted about North Korean defector Yeonmi Park and her description of American colleges and cancel culture being incredibly valuable. Well who could have suspected she'd turn up on Joe Rogan saying literally any old shit? 

apparently this is far from an outlier in terms of obviously false NK stories and her own personal story changes every time she tells it. 

Media literacy, ability to critically examine sources and credulity are much bigger problems than "Cancel Culture".

She claimed there is no such thing as dessert in North Korea. The ice cream company in her post is the same one Nancy Pelosi's fridge was full of and Biden's campaign spent $10,000 on.

The owner of the ice cream company is connected to Les Wexner the guy who gave Epstein hundreds of millions of dollars out of the goodness of his heart. 

It's a strange old world. 

Edited September 8, 2021 by Detournement

[Suspect Device]

52 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I'm not overly familiar with his ouevre but if the people who run the theatre want to him to f**k off then i don't think the state should interfere with their right to free speech. 

It's the 'state' who run the theatre. Local cooncil.

[coprolite]

19 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

It's the 'state' who run the theatre. Local cooncil.

They fund it through a trust thst runs it independently apparently. The councilors were very clear about that, as i would be if i was in an ethnic minority and being blamed by a stupid angry mob for spoiling their racist fun. 

 

[BigDoddyKane]

3 hours ago, 101 said:

It was weird to see her blame trolls, for want of a better word, baiting her into using hateful language from what I can see, using the N word is completely unprovoked. Weird.

Did she use the N word?

i was thinking when i read she got 12k for a public health message she should do that for free but i guess it must be the norm to get paid is it?  I stupidly thought “celebs” would do that sort of stuff for free, expenses only at most

Edited September 8, 2021 by BigDoddyKane

[Detournement]

Guy teaches a class on Othello and got cancelled for making the students watch the 1965 film with Laurence Olivier as Othello also starring Maggie Smith and Michael Gambon. 

This Dunstin Diamond alike was so traumatised he started a petition to have the professor disciplined.

 

[BFTD]

I'd been assuming that "cancellation" meant getting the bullet from your job, but it's amazing how often being cancelled amounts to voluntarily withdrawing from something after complaints that you've been a w**k.

[Detournement]

9 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I'd been assuming that "cancellation" meant getting the bullet from your job, but it's amazing how often being cancelled amounts to voluntarily withdrawing from something after complaints that you've been a w**k.

The Chinese-American professor who is also a successful composer is no longer teaching the class and has been reported to various bodies that investigate racism because a bunch of 18 year old white students who have just arrived at university decided watching a mainstream Oscar nominated movie from the 60s was traumatic for them.

I'd say that's a cancelling.

[BFTD]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The Chinese-American professor who is also a successful composer is no longer teaching the class and has been reported to various bodies that investigate racism because a bunch of 18 year old white students who have just arrived at university decided watching a mainstream Oscar nominated movie from the 60s was traumatic for them.

I'd say that's a cancelling.

It certainly seems to match up with what I'm understanding a "cancelling" to be.

[Sergeant Wilson]

7 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The Chinese-American professor who is also a successful composer is no longer teaching the class and has been reported to various bodies that investigate racism because a bunch of 18 year old white students who have just arrived at university decided watching a mainstream Oscar nominated movie from the 60s was traumatic for them.

I'd say that's a cancelling.

Pity, he was showing The Black and White Minstrels next week.

[welshbairn]

Olivier's Othello didn't go down too well when it came out either, in 1966.

Quote

However, one bold and singular aspect of this production immediately impels the sensitive American viewer into a baffled and discomfited attitude. That is the radical makeup Sir Laurence has chosen to use in his powerful and passionate characterization of the jealous Moor.He plays Othello in blackface! That's right, blackface—not the dark-brown stain that even the most daring white actors do not nowadays wish to go beyond. What's more, he caps his shiny blackface with a wig of kinky black hair and he has the insides of his lips smeared and thickened with a startling raspberry red. Several times, in his rages or reflections, he rolls his eyes up into his head so that the whites gleam like small milk agates out of the inky face.The consequence is that he hits one—the sensitive American, anyhow — with the by-now outrageous impression of a theatrical Negro stereotype. He does not look like a Negro (if that's what he's aiming to make the Moor)—not even a West Indian chieftain, which some of the London critics likened him to. He looks like a Rastus or an end man in an American minstrel show. You almost wait for him to whip a banjo out from his flowing, white garments or start banging a tambourine.What's more, he speaks at the beginning in a deep, densely dignified voice that distractingly reminded this viewer of Amos in the old Amos 'n' Andy radio serial.

https://www.nytimes.com/1966/02/02/archives/the-screen-minstrel-show-othelloradical-makeup-marks-oliviers.html

Edited October 9, 2021 by welshbairn

[djchapsticks]

I've always found the concept of a white actor going all out blackface absolutely comical to be honest. There's no way you can show up on screen and try to be taken seriously with a full Al Jolson face on. Even back in the day it must have been completely ridiculous looking.

Im also not at all offended by it, not because it's inoffensive content, but much in the same way it's not my place to tell people in minorities what isn't offensive, it's not my place either to tell them what is. I can't get on board at all with a pasty skinned wee bunch of 18 year old white guys telling other people what is and isn't culturally appropriate.

Lobbying hard to get a film or book removed from a school curriculum because you find the content to be uncomfortable is not revolutionary or forward thinking. In a completely ironic turn of events, it's actually a form of whitewashing. 

[SweeperDee]

I've always found the concept of a white actor going all out blackface absolutely comical to be honest. There's no way you can show up on screen and try to be taken seriously with a full Al Jolson face on. Even back in the day it must have been completely ridiculous looking.
Im also not at all offended by it, not because it's inoffensive content, but much in the same way it's not my place to tell people in minorities what isn't offensive, it's not my place either to tell them what is. I can't get on board at all with a pasty skinned wee bunch of 18 year old white guys telling other people what is and isn't culturally appropriate.
Lobbying hard to get a film or book removed from a school curriculum because you find the content to be uncomfortable is not revolutionary or forward thinking. In a completely ironic turn of events, it's actually a form of whitewashing. 

[Sergeant Wilson]

7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

 I can't get on board at all with a pasty skinned wee bunch of 18 year old white guys telling other people what is and isn't culturally appropriate.

 

They're  missing out on Michael Bates classic portrayal of Rangi Ram in Kipling's Ain't  Half Hot Mum.

[Jacksgranda]

19 hours ago, Detournement said:

The Chinese-American professor who is also a successful composer is no longer teaching the class and has been reported to various bodies that investigate racism because a bunch of 18 year old white students who have just arrived at university decided watching a mainstream Oscar nominated movie from the 60s was traumatic for them.

I'd say that's a cancelling pathetic.

FTFY

[Shotgun]

I would have thought the vocal opponents of Cancel Culture would've been all over this story. Concerned parents are attempting to drive a public school heidie out of her job because they think she worships the wrong deity. She doesn't of course but she does like Iron Maiden.

 Parents Start Petition to Remove Iron Maiden-Loving School Principal for “Satanic” Imagery

 "Freedom's just another word for living how we say" 

[Lofarl]

Laurence Oliver narrated the World at War.  He can do what ever he wanted imo.

[Satoshi]

There is a strange circular nature to 'cancel culture'. The right to express views (so long as they do not incite violence) is protected freedom of space - so is the right to try and shut down or 'cancel' these views.

So those complaining about cancel cutlure are themsleves trying to cancel someone else.

'Cancelling' views is not new and I would expect has been around since the invention of speech.

Nobody has the right to a platform, and there is nothing wrong, morally or otherwise, with students expressing their dissatisfaction at Tommy Robinson speaking at the Oxford Union (or whatever). Or, indeed, Tommy Robinson campaigning to stop Noam Chomsky speaking.

It absolutely has become a rallying cry for the right wing to incite the gullible and ignorant. Say something outrageous -> attract criticism -> complain about being cancelled -> it's not like the good ol days. This will have been a deliberate policy at some point in a think tank in the US.

The complete failure of Parler has confirmed that the noisy minority are less influential and widesprad than they think.

The most successful proponent of cancel culture is probably Mary Whitehouse. The least successful - David Camerons internet 'opt in' policy.

 

 

[SlipperyP]

10 hours ago, Shotgun said:

I would have thought the vocal opponents of Cancel Culture would've been all over this story. Concerned parents are attempting to drive a public school heidie out of her job because they think she worships the wrong deity. She doesn't of course but she does like Iron Maiden.

 Parents Start Petition to Remove Iron Maiden-Loving School Principal for “Satanic” Imagery

 "Freedom's just another word for living how we say" 

YES, heavy, hard grind or what ever the f**k you want to call the new cult. (I'm a dance lover), the day of music, ken.

Cancelled would be good, unfortunately,  we would have sweaty long haired, black t_shited zombies walking our streets. You every seen them drive? Oh that's goths, same rag.  

I'm wit  @oaksoft get these criminals of music in the sea. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

2 hours ago, Satoshi said:

There is a strange circular nature to 'cancel culture'. The right to express views (so long as they do not incite violence) is protected freedom of space - so is the right to try and shut down or 'cancel' these views.

So those complaining about cancel cutlure are themsleves trying to cancel someone else.

'Cancelling' views is not new and I would expect has been around since the invention of speech.

 

 

 

This. 

One of my favourite elements of the current 'cancel wars/woke' campaign being waged by right wing newspapers is their criticism of the BBC for being too left wing. 

These newspapers seem to be lacking any kind of self-awareness or irony. What they want of course, is to shut down opinions that they don't agree with, and they want the BBC to adopt a right wing, Fox news type slant on all its programmes. 

They're not interested in balance, or free speech. They want to 'cancel' everything that isn't conservative or right wing, by continually suggesting that all other opinions are somehow extreme, or ridiculous, or against normal values. 

I laugh at this, but then I realise that we have a government in place that is working hand in hand with the right wing media to help achieve this.

Dangerous times. 

 

 

[Donathan]

Las Vegas Raiders head coach John Gruden cancelled over 10 year old emails