G51 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 21 minutes ago, G51 said: More I look at this more it looks like Biden edges it. Absolutely wild that it's come to this given the last four years. Democrats done their best to throw it away. And in a way they have, because they won't have control of the Senate. Agreed. But my desire for the woozy 78-year old Biden to stagger over the line has more to do with trying to maintain our NHS than America's immediate future. A Biden administration will be much more of a Brexit reality check for Johnson's government and will hopefully force our own political scarecrows into some sort of realpolitik. You only had to listen to Raab this morning to hear how obsequious the UK is where America is involved. Don't really understand this take. Biden is every bit in the pocket of the health insurance companies in the US as Trump is, perhaps even more so. So if there's going to be a US-UK trade deal (and there will be, there's no real gain to Americans not to do it), he's still going to be looking for parts of the NHS in exchange. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The big problem for Democrats if Biden wins is where will they find a 96 year old to contest in 2028? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I’ve seen Nate Silver write an article about how Trump could still win and now he’s tweeting about how Biden could win or lose a state. This is why he gets the big bucks. He really is just cope for liberals who had the guns in their mouths at midnight and will kid on they never doubted their man a week from now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: They really don’t, they see universal healthcare as some kind of socialist plot to bring down their country. When you explain the benefits and that it’d cost them less they just won’t accept it. The attitude is generally why should they pay for someone else without understanding that everyone is paying in. Don’t waste your breath debating healthcare or gun control with them, it’s not worth the hostility you’ll receive. In all fairness, the US Healthcare system was indirectly responsible for Breaking Bad - every cloud, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Yeah, “why do you believe in sky fairies” won’t be contentious. Or the ever-popular "Who's got the best Imaginary Friend" debate.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fratelli Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Their inherent distrust and paranoia towards of the whole concept of government (despite having an almost cult level of fanaticism towards their leaders) plays a big part in their rejection of universal healthcare. They don't want or trust their governments to have control over their healthcare, there's not much point arguing with them about it as we come at it from a completely different starting point. To us it just seems completely bonkers and immoral, where as they (well those to the right anyway) almost have pity on us for not having the same 'freedom' they do and for living in a nanny state. Nutters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: In all fairness, the US Healthcare system was indirectly responsible for Breaking Bad - every cloud, etc. If Walter Whyte had been the Democratic nominee I reckon they would have walked it. Mind you I’m not sure Saul would have done a job with any legal challenges. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden wins this but unfortunately will be dragged through courts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Apologies if this is a repost but wow. Had to laugh at that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 If he loses what happens during his lame duck period? Go absolutely tonto and create a huge shit storm or throw the toys out the pram and not do any work at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I suspect the GOP will be well chuffed if they get shot of Trump but keep hold of the Senate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Georgia could well go to Biden, looking at the areas where are votes still to be counted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 *sees Fox News poll with a fairly neutral question on government run healthcare that shows big support* “right but have you considered my xenophobic caricature of the average American?” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Fratelli said: Their inherent distrust and paranoia towards of the whole concept of government (despite having an almost cult level of fanaticism towards their leaders) plays a big part in their rejection of universal healthcare. They don't want or trust their governments to have control over their healthcare, there's not much point arguing with them about it as we come at it from a completely different starting point. To us it just seems completely bonkers and immoral, where as they (well those to the right anyway) almost have pity on us for not having the same 'freedom' they do and for living in a nanny state. Nutters Again,nearly every poll carried out in America over universal healthcare shows a majority in favour of it. https://www.kff.org/interactive/tracking-public-opinion-on-national-health-plan-interactive/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Trump drifting quite a bit at the bookies. Currently 6/4 at Ladbrokes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Have some faith in Magic said: If he loses what happens during his lame duck period? Go absolutely tonto and create a huge shit storm or throw the toys out the pram and not do any work at all. Let’s hope so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Gaz said: Trump drifting quite a bit at the bookies. Currently 6/4 at Ladbrokes. Biden 1/2 on betfair... seems very strong at this point -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: ...That has risks anywhere, that's generally fine if you can gauge the person you're talking to... Letting slip that your grandmother was in the CPGB definitely best avoided in my direct experience. Even the normal seeming ones from deep blue states tend to turn into Sam the Bald-Headed Eagle at that point. Best just to grin as they tell you all about what clan they belong to because their mental image of Scotland or even worse the island of Ireland bears no correlation to reality and trying to explain any kind of nuance about how things really are tends to get you nowhere and isn't worth the effort. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, G51 said: More I look at this more it looks like Biden edges it. Absolutely wild that it's come to this given the last four years. Democrats done their best to throw it away. And in a way they have, because they won't have control of the Senate. The Senate is really hard for Democrats, because every shitkicker redneck state gets the same representation as New York or California. The natural balance of states is probably 22-28 ish to Republicans. 36 minutes ago, G51 said: With all due respect to Nate Silver, he's less accurate than a flipped coin when it comes to political forecasting. That's a useful analogy, considering he's giving probabilities, not predictions. Like tossing a coin, a prediction is inherently arbitrary and usually based on biases and opinions, but probability is based on numbers. I don't see any reason at all to disagree that Trump had a 10% chance of winning the electoral college at the start of the night, based on what we actually knew. Miami-Dade was a shock to everyone and if that had turned the other way this would all have been over by 2am. Even now, Biden is arguably ahead 306-232. 1 minute ago, Bob Mahelp said: Georgia could well go to Biden, looking at the areas where are votes still to be counted. Georgia is quite likely to go to Biden. He needs 62.6% of the remaining votes and given they're mail-ins from around Atlanta, he should definitely make that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 If he loses what happens during his lame duck period? Go absolutely tonto and create a huge shit storm or throw the toys out the pram and not do any work at all.Think he'll hole himself up in Mar A Lago and play golf for a couple of months 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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