Aladdin Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 The death penalty is no deterrent so, in the words of Mixu, whats the fucking point? Its inhumane and should never be brought back. Interestingly, you can regularly find public polls which show support for it being reinstated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Aladdin said: The death penalty is no deterrent so, in the words of Mixu, whats the fucking point? Its inhumane and should never be brought back. Interestingly, you can regularly find public polls which show support for it being reinstated. I might reassess after seeing Mellon’s line-up and formation tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 If there was conclusive proof that death sentences DID deter serious crime would people support it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, Aladdin said: The death penalty is no deterrent so, in the words of Mixu, whats the fucking point? Its inhumane and should never be brought back. Interestingly, you can regularly find public polls which show support for it being reinstated. It's 100% effective at tackling re-offending. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tynierose said: What, don't you remember Ghost. I don't remember swayzee or even the baddie being executed in that. I do remember Wes Craven's Shocker though, that had an executed maniac. It was quite shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 It's 100% effective at tackling re-offending. Some innocent people don't even get the chance to commit an offence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elric Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Murder should mean whole life sentence not the get out after a few years that we currently experience. I remember a case a number of years ago where a convicted murderer was released and within a fortnight had murdered again for no apparent reason. Ten years later they released him again. All murders are abhorrent and it does the victims family no good to see the murderer walk after a relative short period of time. The other issue I have is we allow the majority of murderers out after a period of time but why retain the likes of Huntly, Brady, Hindley, Sutcliffe, etc. In basic terms all they did was commit murder, albeit a bit more than heinous than the others but surely they should be walking as well. Without going into the pros and cons, even the man who killed 259 people was allowed to walk on compassionate grounds. Pity he had not shown any to his victims. You have to remember that in Scotland we have a government that does not want to jail people and give the impression that they think more of the accused than the victim. Because of Covid the authorities in Scotland have given prisoners over 7500 mobile phones, as it is important for them to maintain contact with their families. So far the rules for using them have been abused over 800 times. Anyone care to think that these will be taken back later. Pity the government had not shown the same compassion to those going from hospital to care homes and who still cannot see their families. -12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, coprolite said: It's 100% effective at tackling re-offending. As long as they don't use the hair for a transplant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 People are generally ok with execution by drone by Our Boys so if it's good enough for an Afghan wedding it's good enough for Ian Huntley. The UK government executed this 12 year old British child and no one gave a f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 She's in the news and this is a new thread. It has to be a no for capital punishment 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 53 minutes ago, Elric said: Murder should mean whole life sentence not the get out after a few years that we currently experience. I remember a case a number of years ago where a convicted murderer was released and within a fortnight had murdered again for no apparent reason. Ten years later they released him again. All murders are abhorrent and it does the victims family no good to see the murderer walk after a relative short period of time. The other issue I have is we allow the majority of murderers out after a period of time but why retain the likes of Huntly, Brady, Hindley, Sutcliffe, etc. In basic terms all they did was commit murder, albeit a bit more than heinous than the others but surely they should be walking as well. Without going into the pros and cons, even the man who killed 259 people was allowed to walk on compassionate grounds. Pity he had not shown any to his victims. You have to remember that in Scotland we have a government that does not want to jail people and give the impression that they think more of the accused than the victim. Because of Covid the authorities in Scotland have given prisoners over 7500 mobile phones, as it is important for them to maintain contact with their families. So far the rules for using them have been abused over 800 times. Anyone care to think that these will be taken back later. Pity the government had not shown the same compassion to those going from hospital to care homes and who still cannot see their families. I think that was the carrot dangled in front of the electorate whenever abolition (of the death penalty) was first mooted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. Edited November 20, 2020 by MONKMAN 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 No one has produced a reasoned argument for a death penalty. Just expressed why it would be emotionally satisfying. Humans should not die to gratify emotions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Elric said: hey think more of the accused than the victim. ...playstaytions...holiday camps...three meals a day... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 No one has produced a reasoned argument for a death penalty. Just expressed why it would be emotionally satisfying. Humans should not die to gratify emotions. I think that's all there is, and theres nothing wrong with feeling like that. We are just fucking animals in the end. Just as long as you also understand, or make an effort to understand why the penal system cant be set up like that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I'd say the reason is that some prisoners have a death sentence anyway. Guys like Huntley are just waiting to die and it's almost certain that the conditions of incarceration will play a part in their death. I don't think there is a great difference between locking someone up until they die of a socially acceptable cause and just killing them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Detournement said: People are generally ok with execution by drone by Our Boys so if it's good enough for an Afghan wedding it's good enough for Ian Huntley. The UK government executed this 12 year old British child and no one gave a f**k. They didn't sit in a jury and choose for him to die, and plenty gave a f**k. His mother voluntarily took him into a war, and persuaded other women and children to join her. Edited November 20, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Elric said: the authorities in Scotland have given prisoners over 7500 mobile phones Conditions must be obscenely favourable if they're surviving for millennia. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Detournement said: I'd say the reason is that some prisoners have a death sentence anyway. Guys like Huntley are just waiting to die and it's almost certain that the conditions of incarceration will play a part in their death. I don't think there is a great difference between locking someone up until they die of a socially acceptable cause and just killing them. You are just spouting shit to try to get bites. The first reason we lock people up to prevent them from harming others. The second is a form of punishment, to impose a cost on actions. When contained they do not pose a great threat to others. So we do not kill them due to an inherent value on human life and to retain the possibility that new evidence may offer reprieve. It is not for the guilty we have no death sentence but that there may be innocent falsely convicted and as a society we do not have a motive to kill. You are just a shit stirring troll. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Elric said: Murder should mean whole life sentence not the get out after a few years that we currently experience. I remember a case a number of years ago where a convicted murderer was released and within a fortnight had murdered again for no apparent reason. Ten years later they released him again. All murders are abhorrent and it does the victims family no good to see the murderer walk after a relative short period of time. The other issue I have is we allow the majority of murderers out after a period of time but why retain the likes of Huntly, Brady, Hindley, Sutcliffe, etc. In basic terms all they did was commit murder, albeit a bit more than heinous than the others but surely they should be walking as well. Without going into the pros and cons, even the man who killed 259 people was allowed to walk on compassionate grounds. Pity he had not shown any to his victims. You have to remember that in Scotland we have a government that does not want to jail people and give the impression that they think more of the accused than the victim. Because of Covid the authorities in Scotland have given prisoners over 7500 mobile phones, as it is important for them to maintain contact with their families. So far the rules for using them have been abused over 800 times. Anyone care to think that these will be taken back later. Pity the government had not shown the same compassion to those going from hospital to care homes and who still cannot see their families. Like a hotel m8. Like a hotel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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