Biscuits Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 BBC News - Scottish football clubs urged to apologise for historical child sex abusehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56019232 Surely the time has come for the truth? Who knew what and kept it quiet? Who was involved? If clubs are being told to apologise that would insinuate some level of acceptance of blame. Clubs obviously care more about not being held liable financially than doing the right thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Being told you have to apologise for something is a bit weird. At what point do you then just assume the apology is insincere if they're forced to do so. Shows the true nature and character of the clubs involved if they can't even do the very bare minimum by the victims of their horrific acts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Expecting a well balanced, objective discussion on such a sensitive topic. Over to you, P&B. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Personally I'm dead against it 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The only question should be "would an apology help the victims?" if the answer is yes they should get an apology. It's hard to see what might be gained from not apologising unless there are legal procedings ongoing or if clubs are worried about criminal charges. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2016/5/contents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I think I'll avoid twitter tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Uh ohhhh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arthur Orton Posted February 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 @Cardinal Richelieu @keithgy @Mr X @Bully Wee Villa 23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I'm sure this thread will go well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I'm banning everyone who has posted in this thread to be on the safe side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Oh shit. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
third lanark Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 24 minutes ago, Flybhoy said: I'm sure this thread will go well. I’m just hoping there’s no attempts at petty point scoring on something that is such a horrific crime 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I sincerely hope that ALL clubs who have either inadvertently facilitated these abuses via their coaching and/or scouting staff, or were aware of the "rumours" going around at the time about their staff, make known to whatever enquiry is held EXACTLY what their club is responsible for. I've read and heard the gloating from The Rangers fans about the seemingly overwhelming evidence known about the Celtic involvement, endorsed by the subsequent convictions, but they appear blind and mute to the involvement of the old Rangers. It's as crass as it gets for point scoring between the cheeks. This abuse was apparently prevalent during the 60s, 70s and 80s (??) at NUMEROUS clubs (and not just football) at ALL levels from the top professional clubs to the boys clubs at amateur level. Time now for FULL responsibility to be taken by each club for their own involvement and, like in any other legal case where wrongs have been done, if monetary compensation is appropriate, then the clubs should pay up. Lives have been ruined and/or ended because of the failings by clubs to a) fully recognise and b) deal with properly the criminality involving their staff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post G51 Posted February 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 I understand why some people are tempted to treat this as a taboo subject, because it's difficult to talk about it. But I think it is important that we, as supporters, at the very least acknowledge this report. We also have a role in pushing our clubs to do more to right this wrong. Supporters are the most powerful stakeholders in the game. I'm not happy with the way my club has responded to this. I know supporters of my club and other clubs will be feeling the same. It feels as if it's been very easy for Scottish football (fans and clubs alike) to collectively stick their heads in the sand over the child abuse scandal. But lives have been ruined over this. As a minimum, I would expect all clubs to implement the recommendations of the report, and will be writing to the Rangers SLO to make it clear that I expect Rangers to do this. It is time for every club to stand up and accept responsibility. Because if clubs cannot accept responsibility over failings in the past, how can we be sure that they'll take responsibility for protecting children in the present and future? 41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Anyone see Channel 4 News and the staggering comment from Rangers? Along the lines of the abuse concerned the old CLUB which was liquidated and didn't apply to the new club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, G51 said: I understand why some people are tempted to treat this as a taboo subject, because it's difficult to talk about it. But I think it is important that we, as supporters, at the very least acknowledge this report. We also have a role in pushing our clubs to do more to right this wrong. Supporters are the most powerful stakeholders in the game. I'm not happy with the way my club has responded to this. I know supporters of my club and other clubs will be feeling the same. It feels as if it's been very easy for Scottish football (fans and clubs alike) to collectively stick their heads in the sand over the child abuse scandal. But lives have been ruined over this. As a minimum, I would expect all clubs to implement the recommendations of the report, and will be writing to the Rangers SLO to make it clear that I expect Rangers to do this. It is time for every club to stand up and accept responsibility. Because if clubs cannot accept responsibility over failings in the past, how can we be sure that they'll take responsibility for protecting children in the present and future? It's not so much that it's taboo. It's that this topic has led to some absolute heads gone moments in the past. Posters using child abuse to score points etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 The report on the sfa news site. I stopped reading at page 20 odd. Nearly 300 pages. It's awful stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: It's not so much that it's taboo. It's that this topic has led to some absolute heads gone moments in the past. Posters using child abuse to score points etc. I'm sure the mods deal with that appropriately. But I also hope that a) the report is enough to make everyone appreciate the gravity of the situation, so we wouldn't see point scoring and b) the topic remains open so that we can discuss it - the role of supporters in helping to resolve this is important. We all know our clubs well enough to know if we don't push for something, it doesn't tend to happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arthur Orton Posted February 11, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2021 Just now, G51 said: I'm sure the mods deal with that appropriately. But I also hope that a) the report is enough to make everyone appreciate the gravity of the situation, so we wouldn't see point scoring and b) the topic remains open so that we can discuss it - the role of supporters in helping to resolve this is important. We all know our clubs well enough to know if we don't push for something, it doesn't tend to happen. The topic will remain open however any point scoring will be dealt with immediately. It's an incredibly sensitive and difficult subject and it is right that it is discussed. It's abhorrent what happened to those children and if anyone thinks its ok to use it to try and point score on a football forum or in day to day life then they need to have a look at themsleves. I would ask that if there is anything posted that is out of order then the report function is used. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, coprolite said: The only question should be "would an apology help the victims?" if the answer is yes they should get an apology. It's hard to see what might be gained from not apologising unless there are legal procedings ongoing or if clubs are worried about criminal charges. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2016/5/contents Well, that's not the only question. Another question is: who's meant to apologise? Is it all clubs or are there particular clubs which have been identified as having been complicit (or negligent) in relation to historic abuse? An apology needs to include an acceptance of wrongdoing to mean anything. Edit: Before I get in bother with the mods, I should clarify that I'm not inviting anyone to speculate on the involvement of particular clubs, just querying whether it is genuinely helpful for clubs to issue banal, generic apologies en masse. Would seem to undermine the need for real justice for the victims. Edited February 11, 2021 by Pull My Strings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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