How Do We Solve a Problem Like Obesity?

[vikingTON]

55 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Food manufacturers all know about the holy combination of sugar and fat. When you put that in your body, your body rewards you for doing it. We all live in different bodies though and the rewards we are given vary from person to person. That's why the smug, ignorant "eat less" crowd have nothing to offer to this discussion.

The only ignorant person around here is the one identifying 'eat less' as the core message of anyone in this discussion.

More self-pitying drivel, as if an ice cream somehow tastes less good to someone who takes responsibility for their health. 

[Aufc]

If someone cant have sugar in moderation and cant/doesnt want to do anything about it then surely the trade off is to move more to offset this. Unless i am missing something the whole equation is fairly straightforward.

[BFTD]

8 minutes ago, Aufc said:

If someone cant have sugar in moderation and cant/doesnt want to do anything about it then surely the trade off is to move more to offset this. Unless i am missing something the whole equation is fairly straightforward.

I dunno, how much moving negates the consumption of a box of Milk Tray?

[velo army]

Saying that you're not addicted to sugar, but dopamine, is a bit obtuse. It's like saying that heroin addicts are addicted to dopamine, not heroin. Heroin causes a huge and sudden spike in dopamine, which is why it feels so bloody good (so I've read). 

If it was purely dopamine you would be able to sub out sugar for gambling or, well, heroin.  

Oh, and @GordonS, I recommend the depression thread. It's choc full of guid cvnts. Even if you're not in need of advice or help, just reading the stories of others and offering some experiences of your own works wonders.

[Aufc]

I dunno, how much moving negates the consumption of a box of Milk Tray?

f**k knows but im away to have a wee chocolate now after this discussion

[BFTD]

30 minutes ago, Aufc said:

f**k knows but im away to have a wee chocolate now after this discussion

 

[GordonS]

56 minutes ago, velo army said:

Saying that you're not addicted to sugar, but dopamine, is a bit obtuse. It's like saying that heroin addicts are addicted to dopamine, not heroin. Heroin causes a huge and sudden spike in dopamine, which is why it feels so bloody good (so I've read). 

If it was purely dopamine you would be able to sub out sugar for gambling or, well, heroin.  

 

There is also a biochemical addiction to drugs and alcohol that doesn't exist the same way with food, but what you're saying is pretty my point to those saying food isn't addictive like alcohol or drugs. If your brain gets the same stimulation from it then it's a pointless distinction.

I think I might be addicted to my phone...

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Oh, and @GordonS, I recommend the depression thread. It's choc full of guid cvnts. Even if you're not in need of advice or help, just reading the stories of others and offering some experiences of your own works wonders.

No doubt, but I'm too easily triggered by bawbags on the internet. And it doesn't feel right to lurk on that thread without sharing, which I've already done much more than I wanted to. 

[ICTChris]

I was reading something about physical activity and the Department of Transport has a long running survey on transport methods in the UK, how many journeys are take on foot, via bicycle or car etc.

In the latest 18% of those surveyed responded that they walked twenty minutes without stopping once a year or less.  Nearly one in five people literally never walked for more than a few minutes.

Public Health England did a survey about physical activity and asked how often respondants walked at a 'brisk pace'.  Not running or jogging or trotting just walking purposefully - 44% of people said less than ten minutes, which was the lowest option and basically means never. 

There's a big balance between diet and exercise in terms of obesity but that is unbelievable.  Imagine never walking anywhere.  How do people go to the park with their children if they never walk or just do anything?

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

There's a big balance between diet and exercise in terms of obesity but that is unbelievable.  Imagine never walking anywhere.  How do people go to the park with their children if they never walk or just do anything?

The only thing I know for sure is that it’ll be someone else’s fault and there will be no personal responsibility taken.

[Aufc]

Intrigued to see how they function day to day

[TheScarf]

I am lucky enough to have a treadmill in my house and I try to go on it at least 4 times a week for 30 mins.  Sometimes I walk, sometimes I run.

My phone is sat on one of the wee trays you can put stuff in like a water bottle when I'm on it so it's not tracking my steps/movement.  I work from home at the moment so I am sat on my arse all day.  When I got into bed last night and checked my steps it said I had done 1200.  I didn't leave the house yesterday and I did over 1000 just by living and it not counting the 30 mins I did on the treadmill.

You definitely do more steps/get more exercise than you think.

[Honest_Man#1]

11 hours ago, ICTChris said:

I was reading something about physical activity and the Department of Transport has a long running survey on transport methods in the UK, how many journeys are take on foot, via bicycle or car etc.

In the latest 18% of those surveyed responded that they walked twenty minutes without stopping once a year or less.  Nearly one in five people literally never walked for more than a few minutes.

Public Health England did a survey about physical activity and asked how often respondants walked at a 'brisk pace'.  Not running or jogging or trotting just walking purposefully - 44% of people said less than ten minutes, which was the lowest option and basically means never. 

There's a big balance between diet and exercise in terms of obesity but that is unbelievable.  Imagine never walking anywhere.  How do people go to the park with their children if they never walk or just do anything?

It’s because they are addicted to sugar and any mild physical movement would just heighten the cravings, you monster.

[coprolite]

On 16/03/2021 at 12:28, BFTD said:

I dunno, how much moving negates the consumption of a box of Milk Tray?

A 530g box with 511g per 100g will take running a marathon to shift. 

A large pizza with pepperoni is roughly the same. 

So a good movie night could easily require a 50 mile run. 

Excercise is part of the solution but for people who overeat a lot (as i am prone to) the main remedy in practice is to eat less. 

 

[101]

1 minute ago, coprolite said:

A 530g box with 511g per 100g will take running a marathon to shift. 

A large pizza with pepperoni is roughly the same. 

So a good movie night could easily require a 50 mile run. 

Excercise is part of the solution but for people who overeat a lot (as i am prone to) the main remedy in practice is to eat less. 

 

I think this information on food would be really helpful, I would find it off putting. I know it shouldn't really come as a suprise but just having it in black and white "if you eat this (you will) it takes X Hours walking/ cycling/ running"

[Honest_Man#1]

19 minutes ago, coprolite said:

A 530g box with 511g per 100g will take running a marathon to shift. 

A large pizza with pepperoni is roughly the same. 

So a good movie night could easily require a 50 mile run. 

Excercise is part of the solution but for people who overeat a lot (as i am prone to) the main remedy in practice is to eat less. 

 

Eating less and exercising in tandem is required.

With reference to the above though, it’s also more important to focus on eating better food rather than just eating less shite. If you are having a large pizza every night, then you could run all day and still be fat. Rather than eating less and having a medium pizza every day instead of a large, you’d be better sticking to your large pizza on a couple of nights a week and eating something healthier the other nights.

[ICTChris]

It would be just as accurate to say that burning off the box of milk tray will take eight hours of sleeping.

 

[coprolite]

17 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

Eating less and exercising in tandem is required.

With reference to the above though, it’s also more important to focus on eating better food rather than just eating less shite. If you are having a large pizza every night, then you could run all day and still be fat. Rather than eating less and having a medium pizza every day instead of a large, you’d be better sticking to your large pizza on a couple of nights a week and eating something healthier the other nights.

I agree that's what would work best for most people. There's no one size fits all though and some people will genuinely be put off by the thought of the more healthy options. If it works for someone to just eat less shite then they should do that.  

[101]

22 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

It would be just as accurate to say that burning off the box of milk tray will take eight hours of sleeping.

 

Now that's the kind of excersize regime I'm interested in.

[Honest_Man#1]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

I agree that's what would work best for most people. There's no one size fits all though and some people will genuinely be put off by the thought of the more healthy options. If it works for someone to just eat less shite then they should do that.  

Just eating less shite will never work for someone though. They’ll still be huge.

[coprolite]

21 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

It would be just as accurate to say that burning off the box of milk tray will take eight hours of sleeping.

 

Surely about 28 hrs average resting? Are you using the 100g figure?