Sarah Everard

[Billy Jean King]

16 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

The police apparently released this personal info at the request of the family, as someone was trying to sell this as a story to the papers. 

You would think if this were true the Home Secretary would be aware but clearly it either isn't or she wasn't given her intervention. Either of these two outcomes could be true given the track record of the HS which in itself is crazy.

[hk blues]

47 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

The police apparently released this personal info at the request of the family, as someone was trying to sell this as a story to the papers. 

At the request of or with the agreement of?  The wording I read suggested it was with their approval.

[bdu98196]

The media will eventually decide whether her reputation in tatters even is she is (hopefully) found alive and unharmed, shes either an unstable alky who wasted resources looking for her or will become a media darling as the poster face of mental health and lack of help for women with the menopause. Take your pick.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

11 hours ago, energyzone said:

As the SIO, what would you have done differently?

Not hurried out personal information, despite being under pressure from the media to explain their initial response?

Also theres still a lack of clarity of who actioned this  as mentioned a couple of posts above.  

 

[energyzone]

1 hour ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

Not hurried out personal information, despite being under pressure from the media to explain their initial response?

Also theres still a lack of clarity of who actioned this  as mentioned a couple of posts above.  

 

Right, but you said it's been a monumental f**k up since day one? Just wondering what info you have to suggest much in the way of errors in the search and overall investigation?

 

The media have been all over this since it happened and that has bled into social media, opinion pieces and commentators all giving their uninformed opinion on the police investigation.

 

We even have retired Detectives, some of whom haven't worked for two decades, giving their opinion on where the police have gone wrong, despite having absolutely no inside information about the investigation or the reasons behind the recent press release.  Then we have this search specialist who appears indignant that he wasn't given this information and claiming that his strategy would have changed if he had been told, however conveniently won't tell us exactly how it would have changed (because it wouldn't).

 

The family will have dedicated family liaison officers who will have no doubt told them that this information was to be released prior to the event, likely to preempt a media exclusive which was going to be published anyway.  There is no other tactical or strategic reason for them doing so that I can see (albeit like everyone else here I am just a guy on a discussion forum with no inside information either).

[hk blues]

13 minutes ago, energyzone said:

Right, but you said it's been a monumental f**k up since day one? Just wondering what info you have to suggest much in the way of errors in the search and overall investigation?

 

The media have been all over this since it happened and that has bled into social media, opinion pieces and commentators all giving their uninformed opinion on the police investigation.

 

We even have retired Detectives, some of whom haven't worked for two decades, giving their opinion on where the police have gone wrong, despite having absolutely no inside information about the investigation or the reasons behind the recent press release.  Then we have this search specialist who appears indignant that he wasn't given this information and claiming that his strategy would have changed if he had been told, however conveniently won't tell us exactly how it would have changed (because it wouldn't).

 

The family will have dedicated family liaison officers who will have no doubt told them that this information was to be released prior to the event, likely to preempt a media exclusive which was going to be published anyway.  There is no other tactical or strategic reason for them doing so that I can see (albeit like everyone else here I am just a guy on a discussion forum with no inside information either).

Do you think the police have done a satisfactory job thus far?  

That's not a leading question b.t.w.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

27 minutes ago, energyzone said:

Right, but you said it's been a monumental f**k up since day one? Just wondering what info you have to suggest much in the way of errors in the search and overall investigation?

I'm talking about the PR, not the details of how the search/investigation was carried out.

As hk blues states, do you feel its been a satisfactory job (PR wise) thus far?

[welshbairn]

The cops were totally unprepared for a normally 2 day story of an unknown woman (apart from friends and family) falling in a river and drowning becoming a national media obsession. 

[energyzone]

14 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

I'm talking about the PR, not the details of how the search/investigation was carried out.

As hk blues states, do you feel its been a satisfactory job (PR wise) thus far?

They appear to have done everything that would normally be expected in a MP investigation.  Released details of where and when she was last seen, the basic circumstances of her last known position and an appeal for information.

 

Everything else appears to have been driven by the furore surrounding the investigation.  They've not ascertained any criminality and in the (presumed) absence of further information, the chief hypothesis is that she's entered the river.  Police comms shouldn't be driven to satisfy the public thirst for knowledge about a case they have no real right to be intimately involved in.  As the family have essentially said yesterday - people need to step back and let the investigation unfold.

 

Not getting at you though, I'm genuinely interested in what you would have done differently though.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

1 minute ago, energyzone said:

They appear to have done everything that would normally be expected in a MP investigation.  Released details of where and when she was last seen, the basic circumstances of her last known position and an appeal for information.

 

Everything else appears to have been driven by the furore surrounding the investigation.  They've not ascertained any criminality and in the (presumed) absence of further information, the chief hypothesis is that she's entered the river.  Police comms shouldn't be driven to satisfy the public thirst for knowledge about a case they have no real right to be intimately involved in.  As the family have essentially said yesterday - people need to step back and let the investigation unfold.

 

Not getting at you though, I'm genuinely interested in what you would have done differently though.

I agree on this and its exactly your point about Police comms not being driven to satisfy the public thirst (or media thirst) for knowledge. that Im getting at. 

Did they release the person information due to external pressure, did they have to? is it normal to do that so early on in an ongoing investigation?

 I suppose the real reasons for the level and type of info released will be come apparent soon and I would imagine someone is getting their arse felt over that.

Anyway, will tune in later whilst having my tea from the chipper. 

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

Oops

 

 

[Jacksgranda]

3 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Oops

 

 

That'll be in the next Private Eye.

[Alert Mongoose]

5 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Oops

 

 

At least they didn't use her first name in the headline...

[carpetmonster]

33 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:

Oops

 

 

I wondered where that guy had gone after they’d been bulleted from the Dublin Herald

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 hours ago, hk blues said:

Do you think the police have done a satisfactory job thus far?  

That's not a leading question b.t.w.

In the interests of transparency Lancashire have referred themselves to the police review body for England and Wales, i think its a good idea to let them conduct their enquiry, which will scrutinise every aspect/decision/action. Given no one but them outside (and the family) the enquiry will know every step of the investigation its just speculating as to how good a job they have done. They may have done a rubbish job, they may have done a great job, no one will really know until its been reviewed. People can rightly have an opinion on it, whether its a diver, a ‘retired detective’ creating a media presence for themselves, an MP or a journalist who was threatening to reveal the information that the police subsequently revealed and then pretended to be outraged by the revelation, or a random punter on the internet we will all form our own opinions regardless of how informed it is. 

[scottsdad]

I imagine that this is how many investigations go in the US. Loads of media coverage, amateurs/podcasters all over the place, conspiracy theories, short-lived celebrity status of a few and at the centre of it, police trying to do a job whilst being pulled in all directions by the maelstrom. And a family no further forward. 

[ICTChris]

7 hours ago, scottsdad said:

I imagine that this is how many investigations go in the US. Loads of media coverage, amateurs/podcasters all over the place, conspiracy theories, short-lived celebrity status of a few and at the centre of it, police trying to do a job whilst being pulled in all directions by the maelstrom. And a family no further forward. 

There was a case in Oregon last year where several college students were murdered and the investigation attracted massive attention from online investigators, some of whom even published photographs of people they thought were suspects. Crazy.

 

Anyway, in more Met news, Katie Proce has been informed that several officers are facing gross misconduct charges for comments they made in a WhatsApp chat about her son, Harvey Price. For those who don’t know Harvey Price has several disabilities and is black.

who knows what they said but I’m pretty sure that Frankie Boyle and others made jokes about Harvey Price on prime television.

[hk blues]

20 hours ago, energyzone said:

They appear to have done everything that would normally be expected in a MP investigation.  Released details of where and when she was last seen, the basic circumstances of her last known position and an appeal for information.

 

Everything else appears to have been driven by the furore surrounding the investigation.  They've not ascertained any criminality and in the (presumed) absence of further information, the chief hypothesis is that she's entered the river.  Police comms shouldn't be driven to satisfy the public thirst for knowledge about a case they have no real right to be intimately involved in.  As the family have essentially said yesterday - people need to step back and let the investigation unfold.

 

Not getting at you though, I'm genuinely interested in what you would have done differently though.

I'm not in a position to answer that last question really.  

I guess when the PM himself questions the investigation there must be so grounds for concern amongst those who know better than I.  

[EvilScotsman]

1 minute ago, hk blues said:

I'm not in a position to answer that last question really.  

I guess when the PM himself questions the investigation there must be so grounds for concern amongst those who know better than I.  

I don't know you, but I have my doubts that the former should be included in the latter.

[hk blues]

1 minute ago, EvilScotsman said:

I don't know you, but I have my doubts that the former should be included in the latter.

Regardless of his political astuteness, or more correctly lack of, he will at least be getting advice from folk who know better than him or I.