Cowdenleith Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Spyro said: Out of the 10, only the Cowdenbeath contingent believe it's for the best... You really do make up stuff as you go along. Cowdenbeath fans are the only ones here in any number, other than Bo’ness and to a lesser extent Berwick. Even if the other 9 clubs are known (and there seems to be some doubt about one or two) can you point me in the direction where I can read that their fans are up in arms at their club voting ‘yes’ to allow the B clubs in? No, you can’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, iateallthepies said: If everyone stands firm and refuses to join this new conference league then it can't go ahead. But what are the chances of that happening? 0% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 This conference rumour hasn't half grown arms and legs on this forum without anything to back it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, iateallthepies said: If everyone stands firm and refuses to join this new conference league then it can't go ahead. But what are the chances of that happening? Surely the vote for entry to the Lowland League each season was the chance to do exactly that and 10 clubs crumbled this time after Maxwell’s scare stories. I’ve no confidence the Non League clubs won’t fold with fear of being left behind. It’s whether SPFL fans can force their clubs to keep blocking B Team entry or not. They’ve zero interest in playing at Tier 5, (we all know it’s Tier 2 they want), it was just the foot in the door they were looking for and sadly the Lowland League gave them it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, approximately dave said: This conference rumour hasn't half grown arms and legs on this forum without anything to back it up. We should all be happy. Scottish football has finally come to a consensus on league reconstruction. It's just weird why everyone's so quiet about it. SPFL clubs have agreed to accept a new national feeder. Funded by a handful of clubs with no centralised funding from the SPFL, no sponsor, and with only 10 teams everyone gets a blazer to help run it. Club 42 prospects love the idea of automatic relegation into a league that's 40% or more B teams that can't be promoted or relegated. Turns out they love playing teams 4x a season in meaningless games. Plus a team that can finish 5th could be promoted. We've seen how Club 42 has struggled to win a league so must be thrilled by that idea. HL and LL clubs finally get automatic promotion to a national league. They're living the dream. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, Cowdenleith said: You really do make up stuff as you go along. Cowdenbeath fans are the only ones here in any number, other than Bo’ness and to a lesser extent Berwick. Even if the other 9 clubs are known (and there seems to be some doubt about one or two) can you point me in the direction where I can read that their fans are up in arms at their club voting ‘yes’ to allow the B clubs in? No, you can’t. Clubs run by people who put their own self interest first before the supporters and community they are meant to represent is not a surprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave94 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: We should all be happy. Scottish football has finally come to a consensus on league reconstruction. It's just weird why everyone's so quiet about it. SPFL clubs have agreed to accept a new national feeder. Funded by a handful of clubs with no centralised funding from the SPFL, no sponsor, and with only 10 teams everyone gets a blazer to help run it. Club 42 prospects love the idea of automatic relegation into a league that's 40% or more B teams that can't be promoted or relegated. Turns out they love playing teams 4x a season in meaningless games. Plus a team that can finish 5th could be promoted. We've seen how Club 42 has struggled to win a league so must be thrilled by that idea. HL and LL clubs finally get automatic promotion to a national league. They're living the dream. We have to be grateful to Rangers for ending themselves for no reason as Scottish football benefited so much in the following years. Been a few laughs along the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 14 hours ago, approximately dave said: This conference rumour hasn't half grown arms and legs on this forum without anything to back it up. Be interesting to know who runs the LL social media accounts and if they have any documented evidence of the plans to create this new conference league if the clubs voted against b teams or if it was something merely intimated to those present at the meeting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 On 20/04/2023 at 12:38, Cowden Cowboy said: The vote was simply to admit B teams - all that other stuff then will be gone into so there is more time to consider matters and how to play it rather than going headlong into conflict mode If the vote was only "admit the B teams, yes or no" then how could there be any threat to bringing the conference in early? If the conference "plan" (I use that in quotation marks deliberately) wasn't in the table then how could it be used as leverage? The whole thing makes no sense and the 10 boards (or at least those who voted against B teams in the past) should have been asking more questions rather than just handing over their wallets to be inspected by Mr Murray. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: If the vote was only "admit the B teams, yes or no" then how could there be any threat to bringing the conference in early? If the conference "plan" (I use that in quotation marks deliberately) wasn't in the table then how could it be used as leverage? The whole thing makes no sense and the 10 boards (or at least those who voted against B teams in the past) should have been asking more questions rather than just handing over their wallets to be inspected by Mr Murray. You seem to think that the whole picture can just be readily laid out in detail and that every aspect will just be put in writing as plain as day instead of much being said, implied, suggested in meetings. If you are in a poker game neither side is going to show all their cards face up as they are dealt. So you do not believe that the relevant people did not say/imply that they would look to implement a conference in 23/24 unless B teams had a satisfactory league situation in 23/24? That is your prerogative. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Cowden Cowboy said: You seem to think that the whole picture can just be readily laid out in detail and that every aspect will just be put in writing as plain as day instead of much being said, implied, suggested in meetings. If you are in a poker game neither side is going to show all their cards face up as they are dealt. So you do not believe that the relevant people did not say/imply that they would look to implement a conference in 23/24 unless B teams had a satisfactory league situation in 23/24? That is your prerogative. No, but you're the one who said that the only question was about accepting B Teams or not. If that was the only question, the answer IMO should have been no. If the rep then made veiled threats or whatever then the clubs should have been asking questions rather than just accepting it as a fait acomplit. Again, IMO. Murray or anyone else can't just say "the conference will be brought forward a year" and the boards of the 10 should have known that. To use the poker analogy you used, call the bluff. See how their "plan" goes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: No, but you're the one who said that the only question was about accepting B Teams or not. If that was the only question, the answer IMO should have been no. If the rep then made veiled threats or whatever then the clubs should have been asking questions rather than just accepting it as a fait acomplit. Again, IMO. Murray or anyone else can't just say "the conference will be brought forward a year" and the boards of the 10 should have known that. To use the poker analogy you used, call the bluff. See how their "plan" goes. Maybe some folks aren’t just as gung ho or as all-knowing as you. Maybe you are a poker-whiz. It’s easy and black and white on here but in real world there are a lot more wheels in motion. Of course clubs were and are asking questions. Do you think that you are privy to all the facts and possibilities. Yes I get you just want to leap to confrontation and don’t consider that it just might be more sensible to buy time by accepting status quo for a year. I don’t think the majority of clubs voted for B teams again just because that was their earnest desire Edited April 21, 2023 by Cowden Cowboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: Do you think you are privy to all the facts and possibilities. Yes I get you just want to leap to confrontation and don’t consider that it just might be more sensible to buy time by accepting status quo for a year. I don’t think the majority of clubs voted for B teams again just because that was their earnest desire Buy time... how exactly? What will have magically changed by April 2024 that will prevent the same scenario playing out again? And every year B teams get returned, the deeper the precedent that is set. So rather than playing a cunning long game, the reality is that 10 teams were either craven enough to embrace their Loving Cup ceremony with bigot directors, or folded to the most obvious bluff hand with nothing to show for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Just now, virginton said: Buy time... how exactly? What will have magically changed by April 2024 that will prevent the same scenario playing out again? And every year B teams get returned, the deeper the precedent that is set. So rather than playing a cunning long game, the reality is that 10 teams were either craven enough to embrace their Loving Cup ceremony with bigot directors, or folded to the most obvious bluff hand with nothing to show for it. You’ve nailed it again ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 That'll be two perfectly straightforward questions that you failed to answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Kicking the problem a year down the road buys time but nothing else, same situation will prevail again in a season. Fact is that 16 LL teams are getting pwned by two B teams. Farcical I'm firmly of the belief that those teams who changed their vote from last season did so to improve their chance of getting an invite to the conference when it inevitably happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 The pyramid opening has been the best thing that has happened to Scottish football for a long time. It gives a great interest away from the sad yearly Celtic or Rangers title thing. It’s pretty much disgusting that they’ve forced their way to ruin the lowland league. Even Womens football is over now for everyone except Glasgow. No wonder the Monday morning talk at work places in Scotland is about Man city Arsenal etc. What a shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Kicking the problem a year down the road buys time but nothing else, same situation will prevail again in a season. Fact is that 16 LL teams are getting pwned by two B teams. Farcical I'm firmly of the belief that those teams who changed their vote from last season did so to improve their chance of getting an invite to the conference when it inevitably happens. Although your belief is completely wrong given the view was that conference might be invite for next season if B teams excluded from LL. Admitting B teams is likely to mean that clubs will be brought into comference in 2024/25 on merit - unless you are a B team. Cowdenbeath FC did not vote to improve their chances of being invited into Conference - that’s a fact. If you think I am lying about that well that’s up to you. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 40 minutes ago, virginton said: That'll be two perfectly straightforward questions that you failed to answer. Aye, aye you are the Paxo of this forum -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I will leave it as folks don’t really want useful information - just want to air their own conclusions. The Scottish football authorities of course have now grasped that so you are seeing no formal proposals -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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