Jacksgranda Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, Leith Green said: Well, yes but this is a thread about VAR, and - as you know - it shouldn't have been a penalty, so for all the "wonderful theatre" it failed. Pelanty Aberdeen! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Not quite sure that you’ve got that totally correct. I'm pretty sure I have......and the P&J appears to agree https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/5005318/ref-watch-what-did-our-refereeing-expert-make-of-the-big-var-calls-in-aberdeens-win-against-hibernian/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Leith Green said: I'm pretty sure I have......and the P&J appears to agree https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/5005318/ref-watch-what-did-our-refereeing-expert-make-of-the-big-var-calls-in-aberdeens-win-against-hibernian/ The P&J - Dons fans don't even agree with the P&J... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: The P&J - Dons fans don't even agree with the P&J... I that case, do you think it was a penalty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I think ange has a point, surprise surprise, firstly he was talking about the length of time it takes, the ball clearly hits bernabies arm, if by the letter of the law it’s a penalty then the var guys should tell the ref right away, not take 2 or 3 mins watching it then tell the ref to watch it. secondly every time the ball has hit an arm in our games it’s been a penalty except the smith incident in the hearts game, the one against Livingston was never a penalty imo, none of them should be as none were deliberate but that’s a separate debate, by why wasn’t the smith one looked at, it was as unintentional as the other 2 but struck his hand. Makes no sense to me. The most annoying thing out of it all for me was the booking for bernabie. Caused him to be hooked at ht cause he was on a booking. The Smith one wi have been looked at but the conversation between the refs perhaps went different. The VAR will have alerted him to a potential penalty as the game was going on and then I formed him that it's hit a hand but unintentional and thus the game didn't need to be stopped...VAR working well in that instance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Brees Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Cptn Hooch said: 12 minutes ago, Drew Brees said: I think ange has a point, surprise surprise, firstly he was talking about the length of time it takes, the ball clearly hits bernabies arm, if by the letter of the law it’s a penalty then the var guys should tell the ref right away, not take 2 or 3 mins watching it then tell the ref to watch it. secondly every time the ball has hit an arm in our games it’s been a penalty except the smith incident in the hearts game, the one against Livingston was never a penalty imo, none of them should be as none were deliberate but that’s a separate debate, by why wasn’t the smith one looked at, it was as unintentional as the other 2 but struck his hand. Makes no sense to me. The most annoying thing out of it all for me was the booking for bernabie. Caused him to be hooked at ht cause he was on a booking. The Smith one wi have been looked at but the conversation between the refs perhaps went different. The VAR will have alerted him to a potential penalty as the game was going on and then I formed him that it's hit a hand but unintentional and thus the game didn't need to be stopped...VAR working well in that instance. None of the 3 involving Celtic have been intentional. (refs looked 2 and give 1 for us and 1 against). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Leith Green said: I that case, do you think it was a penalty? Well if the P&J say it's not one, it obviously is one... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 42 minutes ago, Leith Green said: I'm pretty sure I have......and the P&J appears to agree https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sport/football/aberdeen-fc/5005318/ref-watch-what-did-our-refereeing-expert-make-of-the-big-var-calls-in-aberdeens-win-against-hibernian/ Don't care what the P&J says. Mind you, kudos to you for searching around t'internet to find someone to back up your crazy theory. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Don't care what the P&J says. Mind you, kudos to you for searching around t'internet to find someone to back up your crazy theory. Just to clarify, you believe that was a penalty on Friday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thenorthernlight Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: I that case, do you think it was a penalty? FFS…. You’re STILL going on about it?! And for the record, no, I don’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Leith Green said: Just to clarify, you believe that was a penalty on Friday? Marshall came charging out and couldn't help but catch our Duk. So yes, as did many others. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Marshall came charging out and couldn't help but catch our Duk. So yes, as did many others. We will have to disagree on this one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, Leith Green said: We will have to disagree on this one. Absolutely. One of those challenges where it often depends on who you support as to how you see it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 At what point do we start accepting the obvious though. There was contact but it wasn't the contact that made him fall over. He planted his foot and just chucked himself forward. Football punditry has brainwashed people into thinking contact = foul because it's ex pros sticking up for their kind because they've done the same thing in the past. English football blindly accepting the De Bryune one was a penalty as well sums it up. Some say VAR will ruin football. You could argue this "entitled to go down" nonsense has been ruining it for a lot longer. You don't need to be murdered to gain a foul but there's got to be reasonable contact that has actually impeded you. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thenorthernlight Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, kingjoey said: Marshall came charging out and couldn't help but catch our Duk. So yes, as did many others. My take on it is this. Duk is running at full pelt. He stretches to get contact in the ball before Marshall. He succeeds. But in doing so, he overstretches, loses his balance & starts to fall over. The contact with Marshall happens whilst he’s on his way down. So, IMO, no penalty, but I don’t think it’s conclusively a dive either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Thenorthernlight said: My take on it is this. Duk is running at full pelt. He stretches to get contact in the ball before Marshall. He succeeds. But in doing so, he overstretches, loses his balance & starts to fall over. The contact with Marshall happens whilst he’s on his way down. So, IMO, no penalty, but I don’t think it’s conclusively a dive either. In my view the rate that Marshall comes out at, he can't fail to connect with Duk. With that and his major error in being off his line when the penalty was taken, it wasn't a good night for Marshall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, SJFCtheTeamForMe said: At what point do we start accepting the obvious though. There was contact but it wasn't the contact that made him fall over. He planted his foot and just chucked himself forward. Football punditry has brainwashed people into thinking contact = foul because it's ex pros sticking up for their kind because they've done the same thing in the past. English football blindly accepting the De Bryune one was a penalty as well sums it up. Some say VAR will ruin football. You could argue this "entitled to go down" nonsense has been ruining it for a lot longer. You don't need to be murdered to gain a foul but there's got to be reasonable contact that has actually impeded you. See also the nonsense that the merest touch will always send a player running at full speed flying. Total pish. Edited November 8, 2022 by DA Baracus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 11 hours ago, Thenorthernlight said: he overstretches, loses his balance & starts to fall over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: See also the nonsense that the merest touch will always send a player running at full speed flying. Total pish. Was thinking the same thing. I've played football for many years, appreciate it's nowhere near professional level but the same notion applies, if I don't get knocked to the ground like an Olympic swimmer entering the pool when my toe gets tapped... Neither do the professionals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Drew Brees said: I think ange has a point, surprise surprise You could have just left it there. The first few weeks of VAR in Scotland have thrown up a few issues - the main one being that very few people understand the laws around handball and how those laws need to be enforced. It seems that folk were expecting VAR to definitively solve all problems - that's never going to be the case. My initial thoughts are that I don't like VAR. However, as a few folk have pointed out, it's overturned some decisions that would have otherwise been called incorrectly. I still dinnae like it. Back to my main point, though - Ange is a p***k. Edited November 8, 2022 by paranoid android 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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