Cheese Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 11 minutes ago, 101 said: 11 days actually. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd1x4zedz4go.amp Ach those bozos are at it every year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 hours ago, 101 said: Follows on from the Unionists having a normal one in South Belfast. What is it with folk and setting fire to bits of their scheme? Seems a counterproductive way to go about your life. I’m not sure that rational thought is high on the agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 19 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’m not sure that rational thought is high on the agenda. Maybe the police should do what they do in Paris then, seal them into their scheme and let them do whatever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 3 minutes ago, 101 said: Maybe the police should do what they do in Paris then, seal them into their scheme and let them do whatever. Even in 1998 during the World Cup it was clear there were certain parts of Paris that seemed the police were afraid of. Kicked off the evening before the opening game against Brazil. Parts of Paris are unrecognisable today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 minute ago, Molotov said: . Parts of Paris are unrecognisable today. Mainly their sparkly new river 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Allegedly the cause of the rioting in Harehills is that social workers moved to remove several children from a family after a baby was injured in the home. The family objected and police were called to ensure the safety of children and social workers. The rioting started from this as neighbours and others joined in. thats whats been reported in several places, could be b.s. of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: I’m not sure that rational thought is high on the agenda. Some people can build a city from a pile of stones. Give some people a city and they'll turn it into a pile of stones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 32 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Allegedly the cause of the rioting in Harehills is that social workers moved to remove several children from a family after a baby was injured in the home. The family objected and police were called to ensure the safety of children and social workers. The rioting started from this as neighbours and others joined in. thats whats been reported in several places, could be b.s. of course. Hopefully all the sirens, flames and broken glass have made a potentially stressful experience much less traumatic for the children involved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 51 minutes ago, Molotov said: Even in 1998 during the World Cup it was clear there were certain parts of Paris that seemed the police were afraid of. Kicked off the evening before the opening game against Brazil. Parts of Paris are unrecognisable today. The area round the Stade de France felt particularly dodgy that day............well, it would have, except I had been drinking since about 8am and didnt give a monkeys ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 53 minutes ago, coprolite said: Hopefully all the sirens, flames and broken glass have made a potentially stressful experience much less traumatic for the children involved. Probably not but I fully support the removal of potentially vulnerable children from their family if there is cause to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundeefc1783 Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 The Jay Slater party fund has gone up about another 5k in the last day or so. Some absolute fucking Muppets out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 7 minutes ago, dundeefc1783 said: The Jay Slater party fund has gone up about another 5k in the last day or so. Some absolute fucking Muppets out there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I hope the family have remembered to request road closures around Westminster Abbey. These state funerals can attract a hell of a crowd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 11 hours ago, 101 said: Follows on from the Unionists having a normal one in South Belfast. What is it with folk and setting fire to bits of their scheme? Seems a counterproductive way to go about your life. That’s a different Normal Island 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 18 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c880xjx54mpo Five years in prison for a protest? Not for protesting, no. For talking about protesting on a Zoom call. 16 hours ago, Plumpy said: I'm pretty sure we allowed organised peaceful protests not ones that cause as much disruption to folks everyday lives as the just stop oil ones Are we allowed to discuss disruption? And surely the point if a protest is to cause disruption, otherwise it doesn't get reported. 13 hours ago, scottsdad said: Allow me to play devil's advocate This, plus the ringleader causing ructions during the trial didn't help. The "ringleader" was defending himself in court (never a good idea, a "suspect defending himself has a fool for a lawyer" and all that) but the judge did seem to want to shut down any arguments he wanted to make. Told him that climate change was inconsequential, said that he would only be allowed a certain time before taking an early lunch, sent the jury and public gallery out when he wanted to bring up certain points (which is why he asked protesters to come with the "hear the full truth" stuff), etc. There was a UN Special Rappateur there and he has subsequently said there was issues he saw with the trial. And the judge has a record of being very lenient with other cases - community service for assaulting two police officers resulting in one needing a metal plate in their skull, no custodial sentence for a police officer having sex with a woman in his police car after he he said he was going to take home from a night club, etc. The sentences for the protesters are more than the average lengths for violent crimes, sexual crimes, blackmail... they are clearly totally disproportionate. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Also worth noting that the family initially involved in Leeds were apparently a Roma family rather than an Asian family. Worth noting as people are making references to this being related to “the politics of the subcontinent” or Islam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 9 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Also worth noting that the family initially involved in Leeds were apparently a Roma family rather than an Asian family. Worth noting as morons and racists are making references to this being related to “the politics of the subcontinent” or Islam. Fixed that for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 8 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Not for protesting, no. For talking about protesting on a Zoom call. Are we allowed to discuss disruption? And surely the point if a protest is to cause disruption, otherwise it doesn't get reported. The "ringleader" was defending himself in court (never a good idea, a "suspect defending himself has a fool for a lawyer" and all that) but the judge did seem to want to shut down any arguments he wanted to make. Told him that climate change was inconsequential, said that he would only be allowed a certain time before taking an early lunch, sent the jury and public gallery out when he wanted to bring up certain points (which is why he asked protesters to come with the "hear the full truth" stuff), etc. There was a UN Special Rappateur there and he has subsequently said there was issues he saw with the trial. And the judge has a record of being very lenient with other cases - community service for assaulting two police officers resulting in one needing a metal plate in their skull, no custodial sentence for a police officer having sex with a woman in his police car after he he said he was going to take home from a night club, etc. The sentences for the protesters are more than the average lengths for violent crimes, sexual crimes, blackmail... they are clearly totally disproportionate. But, to combine your points together... Are these sentences more than for violent criminals who chose to defend themselves as opposed to rely on professional legal representation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Diamond For Me Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 Someone upthread made the point that this is a Tory law, and will be there for them to abuse when they eventually get back in (which they will). The more immediate danger is it's now Labour's to use and abuse, and they absolutely will do. We all remember the Blair government, don't we? And Sturmer's own record - whether in the aftermath of the London riots and his own response to Just Stop Oil show you exactly what the direction of travel is here. Labour need absolutely no lessons from the Tories on authoritarian suppression of dissent, and anyone involved in the climate, Palestine solidarity, anti-war and other movements should be full aware of that. Labour are not your friends here. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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