craigkillie Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 9 hours ago, red23 said: I can imagine seeing your country and countrymen being blown apart might make you a wee bit more patriotic, if this ends by june what a statement they'd want to send by making it to the world cup to bring joy to their destroyed country.............on the other hand, we have Aaron Hickey and some english journeymen. What a fucking weird statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Getting carpet bombed on the regular is par for the course in these Middle Eastern countries. War in Europe is a totally abnormal scenario. Have you ever considered becoming a U.N. arbitrator? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 hours ago, red23 said: if this ends by june what a statement they'd want to send by making it to the world cup to bring joy to their destroyed country. It's not likely to though is it, that's my point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, craigkillie said: It would be a very high profile expression of Ukrainian statehood on the sporting stage. Every single Ukrainian is not standing in a city fighting against the Russian invasion, not least their many professional footballers who are playing for clubs all around Europe. I don't think those guys are "using up all of their national pride", whatever that even means. Well what I mean is that they don't require football or any other sporting contest to display their national pride, they are currently fighting and dying for their state's right to exist. I'm not saying they couldn't raise a team from expats but these players also have family and friends that will still be inside and outside the country fighting, dying and fleeing. The players, like West Ham's Andriy Yarmolenko are still playing at club level (although Yarmolenko returned after compassionate leave) but they may decide as a nation that competitive team sport representing Ukraine , even abroad, should be put aside for the moment to concentrate on the war effort (as we did during the First and Second World Wars). By the time June rolls round, Ukraine will likely be in the third month of conflict, goodness knows what the death toll will be or the condition of their main cities like Kyiv if Putin and his general decide to lay siege before going in. They already have quite a high profile expression of Ukrainian statehood in the manner they're defending their country from attack. War with Russia is much higher profile than anything football with Scotland or even a World Cup appearance can provide. There's no indication thus far that the conflict shows any signs of deescalating, quite the contrary. They may decide to play, you might be proven to be correct but I think all the evidence with regards the war and potential for escalation leaves the likelihood of Ukraine appearing at Hampden in June extremely dubious. If they commit to the FIFA World Cup play-off match, then UEFA may insist that they commit to their Nations League matches too. It just seems absurd to me at the moment that they might be ready to play fixtures in June. Edited March 14, 2022 by Bogbrush1903 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: It's not likely to though is it, that's my point I'm not sure, i think Vlad's made his point and will eventually find a way to claim a win. I feel/hope we've seen the worst of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, red23 said: I'm not sure, i think Vlad's made his point and will eventually find a way to claim a win. I feel/hope we've seen the worst of it. I hope you're right but sadly I think it's gone too far now. Putin wants to control Kyiv and replace the leadership with a puppet regime. I think we're going to see a lot of bloodshed in the Battle of Kyiv and Odessa. The Ukrainians will, rightfully, resort to resistance tactics in response to the Russian aggressors. I can only foresee a protracted struggle along the lines of the Second Chechen War and the Soviet Union's ten year war in Afghanistan. Indeed, there are similarities to the latter conflict and the Americans will fight this war by proxy, which will prolong the struggle. I also think the conflict will extend into Moldova, Poland, Baltic states (Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania) and, most definitely, Belarus (they are already involved). But maybe I'm being overly pessimistic.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: I hope you're right but sadly I think it's gone too far now. Putin wants to control Kyiv and replace the leadership with a puppet regime. I think we're going to see a lot of bloodshed in the Battle of Kyiv and Odessa. The Ukrainians will, rightfully, resort to resistance tactics in response to the Russian aggressors. I can only foresee a protracted struggle along the lines of the Second Chechen War and the Soviet Union's ten year war in Afghanistan. Indeed, there are similarities to the latter conflict and the Americans will fight this war by proxy, which will prolong the struggle. I also think the conflict will extend into Moldova, Poland, Baltic states (Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania) and, most definitely, Belarus (they are already involved). But maybe I'm being overly pessimistic.... No, not pessimistic at all. You're a ray of sunshine, a beacon of hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: No, not pessimistic at all. You're a ray of sunshine, a beacon of hope. Haha, I think I might be doomed up Watching all that destruction and unnecessary misery on those poor souls in Ukraine is having a negative effect on me I think Edited March 14, 2022 by Bogbrush1903 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Sky Sports have confirmed that the playoff final will be free-to-air. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowArab Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Sky Sports have confirmed that the playoff final will be free-to-air.The semi and the final, or just the semi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, MeadowArab said: 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: Sky Sports have confirmed that the playoff final will be free-to-air. The semi and the final, or just the semi? Just the final. If either us or Wales are in it presumably - I doubt they'd have Austria v Ukraine on. Edited March 14, 2022 by craigkillie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: I hope you're right but sadly I think it's gone too far now. Putin wants to control Kyiv and replace the leadership with a puppet regime. I think we're going to see a lot of bloodshed in the Battle of Kyiv and Odessa. The Ukrainians will, rightfully, resort to resistance tactics in response to the Russian aggressors. I can only foresee a protracted struggle along the lines of the Second Chechen War and the Soviet Union's ten year war in Afghanistan. Indeed, there are similarities to the latter conflict and the Americans will fight this war by proxy, which will prolong the struggle. I also think the conflict will extend into Moldova, Poland, Baltic states (Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania) and, most definitely, Belarus (they are already involved). But maybe I'm being overly pessimistic.... If the Russians touch any NATO country then it's WW3 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Did countries like Iraq, Syria or Yemen stop playing? Not a rhetorical question, I genuinely don't know. They all played on. Iraq won Asian Cup and played in Confederations Cup. Syria and Yemen both reached Asian Cup. Syria came within 1 win of contesting London 2012 Olympic qualifying intercontinental playoff in Coventry (prospect sparked 'minor controversy' IIRC). Edited March 14, 2022 by HibeeJibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 When are we expecting to know the decided date for this game? In the initial postponement comms it said a decision expected within 48 hours but still haven’t seen anything confirming a new date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Deans Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 On 14/03/2022 at 20:33, Highlandmagyar Tier 3 said: If the Russians touch any NATO country then it's WW3 Aye and Putin and his generals are perfectly aware of that so can't see it happening. He's rattled his nuclear sabre specifically to avoid NATO involvement on the ground 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: When are we expecting to know the decided date for this game? In the initial postponement comms it said a decision expected within 48 hours but still haven’t seen anything confirming a new date. With the situation so fluid you would expect logistically as late as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 With the situation so fluid you would expect logistically as late as possible. The annoying part is the knock on effect on the other games. Would be better if they put in a provisional date for the play-off at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Lviv Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Feel free to pop down if you took the day off for the original game, should be a decent wee afternoon. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 June looking more likely to be able to go ahead if the Ukrainian sports minister gets his way to provide elite athletes with permits to leave the country to compete. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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