Jacksgranda Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, Dev said: What Putin & Co are doing will lead to the complete break-up of what is left of the old USSR i.e. current Russia. This is partly due to the huge size of Russia and the vast distance between the wealth of Siberia i.e. minerals, gas, oil etc and the western parts where most Russians live. Tragically this will take time and so many lives are being sacrificed and so much damage is being done in the meantime. Cynically, the Chinese Government is using Russia to distract from its' intentions for Taiwan and for control of the world's resources. However, China is also too big to be sustainable for ever. Russia and China are being held together by brute force and that is not sustainable. Regarding Russia, I mean Putin, the actions which are being taken are, noticeably, economic and they are being directed at the owners of the vast wealth of natural resources in Siberia. They are the individuals who really pull the strings in Russia and keep Putin in power. Without that financial support Putin cannot afford to keep the military and his hangers-on paid. Without that he's nothing but a figure-head who has screwed his masters (who own the minerals etc). They won't accept that for very long and a "beauty contest" is almost certainly going on to find a suitable replacement who can sweet-talk the Western nations which are the Oligarchs biggest earners. My gut feeling is that someone will emerge who is an Oligarch or is very close to a group of Oligarchs i.e. chosen by them. Roman Abramovich strikes me as someone who will have a big say in all of this. He's selling his pet i.e. Chelsea FC and would he do that if he planned to to stay in the West? He's heading home. I hope that the Oligarchs act sooner rather than later. Are the USA, Canada and the EU too big to be sustainable, too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 See the good old Serbs are out in force backing Putin in Belgrade. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Anyone signing up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 See the good old Serbs are out in force backing Putin in Belgrade. Glad they never got to the Euros. Fucking David Mashall ya Serb c***s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly boy Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 This might sound simple but couldn't somebody just stick Ukrainian stickers on NATO fighters Jets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Anyone signing up? Stick that in the covid thread for all the freedom fighters . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, deegee said: I don’t disagree with your points and Hitler had no qualms in lobbing his V1 and V2 bombs at England, the second they were functional towards the end of the war. However, even if it is clearly not lead by NATO, there must be some humanitarian army of convenience, operating under UN that at some point must look to warn Russia they will enter Ukraine as a peacekeeping force? Otherwise we allow a bully to overthrow a peaceful lawful neighbour state, and we all know how that ends, with the Baltic’s, Moldova etc next in line for Putin’s expansive policies. Ideally this would be a peace keeping force by consent of the Russians and Ukrainian governments, however I do accept this is all unlikely whilst Putin is in charge and losing his marbles on a daily basis. There was a large United Nations armed force in Korea. I may be wrong but I believe it was set up following a majority UN General Assembly vote. At the time Peking was not the permanent Chinese representative on the Security Council and there was no veto on the proposal. While I would welcome such a force being set up now, I doubt whether the UN could provide legal sanction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Russia is not going to break up. The only regions of Russia that have anything approaching a separatist movement are the North Caucasus and that war has been fought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 This might sound simple but couldn't somebody just stick Ukrainian stickers on NATO fighters Jets.Cool......and with a "Putin GTF" skybanner trailing behind....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Does anyone know whether the Danube is a feasible route into the Black Sea for smaller ships and whether Serbia being matey with Russia is a barrier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Feel like a lot of folk are dreaming here. Russia will more than survive this. If anyone close to Putin was going to disobey or off him, they would've done so before they decided to invade Ukraine, everyone on both sides knew where it would lead. Putin would happily challenge a no fly zone over Ukraine, NATO has already shown they're nervous about WW3 so why wouldnt he gamble on them backing down? There is no scenario where Ukraine comes out this the same way it went in. Pretending otherwise is stupid and I hope the public announcements about "winning" from their side is just bravado and isn't what they think. This only ends without WW3 if Russia runs out of money or Ukraine surrenders at least half their country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Anyone signing up? Aye...when I say aye. I mean naw! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 The number of refugees fleeing the Russian invasion could potentially reach 1.5 million by the end of the weekend, the head of the UN refugee agency has said. The figure is currently above 1.3 million.“This is the fastest moving refugee crisis we have seen in Europe since the end of World War Two,” UNHCR head Filippo Grandi told Reuters in a telephone interview.Grandi also said most refugees at the moment were connecting with friends and family already living in Europe, but warned future waves would be more complex. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Cool......and with a "Putin GTF" skybanner trailing behind....... "No style no bottle, Putin OUT" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: The number of refugees fleeing the Russian invasion could potentially reach 1.5 million by the end of the weekend, the head of the UN refugee agency has said. The figure is currently above 1.3 million. “This is the fastest moving refugee crisis we have seen in Europe since the end of World War Two,” UNHCR head Filippo Grandi told Reuters in a telephone interview. Grandi also said most refugees at the moment were connecting with friends and family already living in Europe, but warned future waves would be more complex. We'll send some tents and tinfoil blankets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: The number of refugees fleeing the Russian invasion could potentially reach 1.5 million by the end of the weekend, the head of the UN refugee agency has said. The figure is currently above 1.3 million. “This is the fastest moving refugee crisis we have seen in Europe since the end of World War Two,” UNHCR head Filippo Grandi told Reuters in a telephone interview. Grandi also said most refugees at the moment were connecting with friends and family already living in Europe, but warned future waves would be more complex. There's some vacancies for tomato pickers in Norfolk. We'll take six. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 hours ago, TONTROOPER said: looks like all the fizz has gone oot Vimtos bottle (if he ever had one). You know it’s a full moon when the Trooper shows up! Hope you’re doing well chief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 We'll send some tents and tinfoil blankets.A few on here could convert their hats into blankets in that instance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, doulikefish said: The latter seems to be best hope. Thoughts and prayers and buildings lit up in the Ukrainian flag is what will continue to happen. However the Polish could break ranks if it's going to be any country Rory Stewart made the point that there's not much use in changing you're Twitter icon to Ukraine flag. But helps the likes and shows you care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) See when there is major tension in the World, do the West not usually rock up close to the hot spot with their naval fleet? Where the f**k are they? Cher should be freezing her nips aff in the Baltic Sea. Edited March 5, 2022 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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