DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Not a hope in hell Ukraine will agree to neutrality after being attacked they’ll be more determined than ever to join NATO and the EU, would you trust Russia again if you were Ukraine? Anyone who was on the fence in Ukraine over Russia or EU/NATO will now firmly be on the EU/NATO side. I wouldn't be too sure about that.If it's the only way for Ukraine to come out relatively intact they may well think that membership of NATO is more hassle than it's worth - certainly in the short run.In any case neutrality doesn't mean disarming - it may well lead to more not less arms in Ukraine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Not a hope in hell Ukraine will agree to neutrality after being attacked they’ll be more determined than ever to join NATO and the EU, would you trust Russia again if you were Ukraine? Anyone who was on the fence in Ukraine over Russia or EU/NATO will now firmly be on the EU/NATO side. Well it depends, if the choice is a neutral Ukraine or no Ukraine at all ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Well it depends, if the choice is a neutral Ukraine or no Ukraine at all ?No self respecting sovereign nation would bend over and agree to that.....Except, Scotland of course 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Well it depends, if the choice is a neutral Ukraine or no Ukraine at all ? How many troops would it take for Russia to control a hostile Ukraine? Winning the war is the easy part, controlling 30+ million would take pretty much Russias entire military, no Ukraine is not happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, bennett said: Basically obsolete stuff, especially if coming up against the newer Russian fighters. ooft. Newer fighters like ? the hundreds of 4th generation Su-27/30/35 ( Ukraine fly Su 27 btw) or the approx 14 5th generation Su 57 (10 of which are test planes) Russia's 4th generation Mig 29 we'll ignore as obsolete 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said: Yeah, he can easily enough spin that as a glorious victory over the decadent west or somesuch pish with the aid of Russian state media. However if this drags on another week or two his options narrow massively. Economic sanctions will kick in, more and more countries, and indeed sports bodies will ostracise Russia and they could very well be left as complete international pariahs on every level, with a binfire of an economy. He’s already got the binfire. And frozen overseas assets. There’s a mix! There is no way Russia’s economy has more than (on my complete guess) more than 8-10 weeks before it completely implodes. And I’d be surprised if anyone in serious power in there lets it get past the next 8-10 days before intervening, dropping Putin’s (and him of his) Ukraine idea and butting TF out of there. He’s had a massive misjudgment. Or he’ll nuke the place to create his buffer to NATO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: How many troops would it take for Russia to control a hostile Ukraine? Winning the war is the easy part, controlling 30+ million would take pretty much Russias entire military, no Ukraine is not happening. Or he could simply reduce the major cities to glass. The first irridated crater to join NATO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 1 minute ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Or he could simply reduce the major cities to glass. The first irridated crater to join NATO. We could send Ross Greer to do the recycling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Pretty much all of Europe except Scandinavia has banned Russian flights now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 You know a news source is relaibale when it's a text-to-speech youtube video. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Or he could simply reduce the major cities to glass. The first irridated crater to join NATO. Aye nothing sends out the message of peace to the UN, NATO and EU like the mass genocide of a few million people. That’s about as likely as him firing nukes at Washington DC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Aye nothing sends out the message of peace to the UN, NATO and EU like the mass genocide of a few million people. That’s about as likely as him firing nukes at Washington DC. We should call his bluff then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Ray Patterson said: Here's Zelensky playing Paddington Bear in the Ukrainian version of the film: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 That’s Wales refusing to play Russia also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/27/ukraine-moscow-braces-for-market-meltdown-monday-as-new-sanctions-hit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other"Moscow is bracing for economic panic when markets open on Monday morning, with the value of the rouble expected to plummet at least 25% after the US and European Union announced unprecedented sanctions over the weekend." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Florentine_Pogen said: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/feb/27/ukraine-moscow-braces-for-market-meltdown-monday-as-new-sanctions-hit?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other "Moscow is bracing for economic panic when markets open on Monday morning, with the value of the rouble expected to plummet at least 25% after the US and European Union announced unprecedented sanctions over the weekend." Now would be a good time to be a wheelbarrow salesman for when the Russians ditch their wallets and they start printing trillion rouble notes just to buy smart price pasta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, San Starko Rover said: I think the Russians have seriously overestimated the number of Pro Russians in the Ukraine and underestimated the fight the Ukraine are giving them. They seem to think the government would run and the Army just lay down their arms. They could well have bitten off more than they can chew here as street to street fighting will see them suffer heavy loses with no guarantee they can achieve their aim. Even if they do they’re faced with a hostile population to police of 30+ milllion who are anti Russian. Firstly I'm not having a go here this is just getting something off my chest as a few folk keep using this phrase to call Ukraine. It's just called Ukraine not 'the Ukraine'. That was what the Russians referred it as during soviet times. So it's a possessive phrase and given the reasoning given for this war it is inappropriate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Aye nothing sends out the message of peace to the UN, NATO and EU like the mass genocide of a few million people. That’s about as likely as him firing nukes at Washington DC. Putins more likely to order the firing of equally evil thermobaric weapons into the major Ukrainian cities and that is going to cause civilian casulties on a horrendous scale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Peter Vardy could learn a thing or two about service from the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, TommyDickFingers said: Peter Vardy could learn a thing or two about service from the EU. If they're not in will they leave them in the shed? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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