vikingTON Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 38 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: ^^^ this. However appalling the impact on Ukraine and its people is sometimes there is no option but to resist and fight. This is one of these times. People preaching capitulation need to have a word with themselves. Except that there were clowns like you saying the exact same thing during every single set-piece of the Cold War. And yet there was no need to 'fight' whatsoever. Billions of people dying because you can't separate TV footage from a long-term geopolitical perspective is not actually a credible take. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, virginton said: Except that there were clowns like you saying the exact same thing during every single set-piece of the Cold War. And yet there was no need to 'fight' whatsoever. Billions of people dying because you can't separate TV footage from a long-term geopolitical perspective is not actually a credible take. ^^^ word salad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Just now, Granny Danger said: ^^^ word salad. ^^^ idiot found -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 1 minute ago, virginton said: ^^^ idiot found If you were in Ukraine you’d be waving a white flag. Fortunately the people in that country have more courage and self respect. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Just now, Granny Danger said: If you were in Ukraine you’d be waving a white flag. Fortunately the people in that country have more courage and self respect. Yep, fortunate really is the word for that, you deluded psycho. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Reports that one of the “Kherson Committee for Peace and Order”, the administration set up by the Russians for Kherson, has been assassinated. Whcih P&Bers do you think would be most likely to collaborate with invaders? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 34 minutes ago, virginton said: A suitably armed, defensive neutrality is the best outcome for all involved. I'm guessing you think "demilitarisation" will be dropped off the Kremlin red lines then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Reports that one of the “Kherson Committee for Peace and Order”, the administration set up by the Russians for Kherson, has been assassinated. Whcih P&Bers do you think would be most likely to collaborate with invaders? VT and the hearts fan seem most likely just now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Reports that one of the “Kherson Committee for Peace and Order”, the administration set up by the Russians for Kherson, has been assassinated. Whcih P&Bers do you think would be most likely to collaborate with invaders? That mental Dundee United fan whatever his name is. Unrelated but same team, Granny Danger would bravely collaborate in the hope it led to independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Just now, itzdrk said: That mental Dundee United fan whatever his name is. Unrelated but same team, Granny Danger would bravely collaborate in the hope it led to independence. Look up the word collaborate, you obvious don’t know it’s meaning. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm guessing you think "demilitarisation" will be dropped off the Kremlin red lines then? Demilitarisation doesn't mean no armed forces at all; in practice it means no missile sites or other potential offensive threats. Russia is not going to get a demobilised Ukraine in a viable peace settlement and it also cannot prevent or veto defensive arms being supplied after the conflict ends. By resorting to both war and a hamfisted campaign it will get less than it could have got through patient statecraft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Look up the word collaborate, yOu obVIoUs DOn’T KNow iT’s mEaNinG. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Reuters. Quote Greece’s consul general in Mariupol, the last EU diplomat to evacuate the besieged Ukrainian port, said on Sunday the city was joining the ranks of places known for having been destroyed in wars of the past. Androulakis has assisted dozens of Greek nationals and ethnic Greeks to evacuate the ruined city since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. He left Mariupol on Tuesday and after a four-day trip through Ukraine he crossed to Romania through Moldavia, along with 10 other Greek nationals. “What I saw, I hope no one will ever see,” Androulakis said as he arrived on Sunday at Athens international airport and was reunited with his family. “Mariupol will become part of a list of cities that were completely destroyed by war; I don’t need to name them – they are Guernica, Coventry, Aleppo, Grozny, Leningrad,” Androulakis said. According to the Greek foreign ministry, Androulakis was the last EU diplomat to leave Mariupol, where many residents have been trapped under heavy bombardment for more than two weeks as Russian forces seeks to take control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 If he didn't name them, then most rational people would have run out of 50 guesses in the 'cities from WW2 alone' category before getting fucking Coventry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 VT and the hearts fan seem most likely just now Miles out.Steve55 and H_B.I know VT can be an arse but the position of a pragmatic peace deal - even if it gives the bully a reward - is the only realistic option.The can does need kicked down the road so that a proper strategy of dealing with Putin is in place.Like it or not the West have a lot of responsibility here because they are the ones who turned a blind eye to Putin's rise to power. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, virginton said: If he didn't name them, then most rational people would have run out of 50 guesses in the 'cities from WW2 alone' category before getting fucking Coventry. Maybe he was a bit incoherent with his ears still ringing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Miles out. Steve55 and H_B. I know VT can be an arse but the position of a pragmatic peace deal - even if it gives the bully a reward - is the only realistic option. The can does need kicked down the road so that a proper strategy of dealing with Putin is in place. Like it or not the West have a lot of responsibility here because they are the ones who turned a blind eye to Putin's rise to power. Did they? The West has been rearming for years now, pulling out of the Middle East and reorientating to Europe. Sweden brought conscription back and the Scandi/Baltic states have increased spending. WWIII started in 2014, it's just ramping up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 Did they? The West has been rearming for years now, pulling out of the Middle East and reorientating to Europe. Sweden brought conscription back and the Scandi/Baltic states have increased spending. WWIII started in 2014, it's just ramping up.They happily stood by and took a kid gloves approach to Putin himself because it was convenient to do so - it's bitten them right on the arse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Miles out. Steve55 and H_B. I know VT can be an arse but the position of a pragmatic peace deal - even if it gives the bully a reward - is the only realistic option. The can does need kicked down the road so that a proper strategy of dealing with Putin is in place. Like it or not the West have a lot of responsibility here because they are the ones who turned a blind eye to Putin's rise to power. Its child logic seen all over the media and internet that Russia must climb down completely and get nothing out of this deal etc etc. Russia are slowly but surely pounding Ukraine into submission. Are they losing battles? Yes.... Have they invited an economic and political catastrophe upon themselves? Yes. But militarily, they are slowly destroying Ukraine and killing its people. Only a fucking idiot thinks Ukraine can somehow produce a full Russian about turn and go home from a position of weakness, albeit nowhere near as weak as anyone anticipated. Anyone demanding that Ukraine concedes nothing becasue Russia are baddies is a child. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 More from Reuters. Quote Russia says it has set a 5am deadline to surrender Mariupol. “Lay down your arms,” Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev, the director of the Russian National Center for Defense Management, said in a briefing distributed by the defence ministry. “A terrible humanitarian catastrophe has developed,” Mizintsev said. “All who lay down their arms are guaranteed safe passage out of Mariupol.” Mizintsev said at a briefing today that humanitarian corridors would be opened tomorrow in both the eastern and western directions from Mariupol. “The Mariupol authorities now have the opportunity to make a choice and go over to the side of the people, otherwise the military tribunal that awaits them is just a little that they deserve for their terrible crimes, which the Russian side is very carefully documenting,” he said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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