The Moonster Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 hours ago, dorlomin said: Ukrainians are not fighting because we asked them too. Only Putin arse lickers claim that. They are fighting because they want too. Its their country. We have provided them a small portion of the weapons they needed to even up the material difference to match their moral willingness to fight Russia's huge material superiority. They want to fight the Russians. Only a c**t would pretend otherwise. They're fighting because they have to, not because they want to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 45 minutes ago, virginton said: Because Russia is historically adverse to the principle of trading soldiers' lives for territorial/strategic gains. That hot take could only emerge from a society whose armies prefer to hide behind the Channel and get others to fight, until they can step in for the victory lap. K, m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I don't think the West are interested too much in Ukraine being liberated. If Russia take it they will have lost loads of equipment and men and trying to control a country the size of Ukraine will be very problematic. I'm sure there is rising opposition to it from home too. NATO will quite happily give obsolete or spare weaponry but not enough for them to threaten Russia's major cities. It's the perfect proxy war for the west. Russia's Vietnam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) Just some more completely unhinged Russophobic commentary: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/putin-compares-himself-to-peter-the-great-in-quest-to-take-back-russian-lands Quote Peter the Great, an autocratic moderniser admired by liberal and conservative Russians alike, ruled for 43 years and gave his name to a new capital, St Petersburg – Putin’s home town – that he ordered built on land he conquered from Sweden. It was a project that cost the lives of tens of thousands of serfs, conscripted as forced labourers to build Peter’s “window to Europe” in the swamps of the Baltic Sea coast. I don't recall The Guardian dwelling much on the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's comparable 18th century record of ethnic cleansing Gaels from its domains - as a prelude to the systematic plunder and conquest of India - in its 'celebration of Britishness' just last week. A truly laughable attempt to selectively apply contemporary value judgements to revise the big bad Russians (but not 'The West' - never 'The West'). Edited June 10, 2022 by vikingTON 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Maybe if Britain had just started bombing Cork and Dublin and invaded from Ulster, tales of its past barbarity would be a popular topic in the global media. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 38 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Maybe if Britain had just started bombing Cork and Dublin and invaded from Ulster, tales of its past barbarity would be a popular topic in the global media. It's not too late! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 1 hour ago, virginton said: A truly laughable attempt to selectively apply contemporary value judgements to revise the big bad Russians (but not 'The West' - never 'The West'). The best example of this are the decolonise Russia nutters on Twitter who are arguing that Russia should be broken up into 20 odd different states. The same people don't have much to say about Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, French Guyana, Okinawa or Diego Garcia for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, Detournement said: Russia should be broken up into 20 odd different states. It's fucking hard enough for Scotland to qualify for tournaments as it is. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 It's fucking hard enough for Scotland to qualify for tournaments as it is.On the other hand, away trips to Bashkortostan when their clubs get invited to the Challenge Cup. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 On 05/06/2022 at 14:42, welshbairn said: I'm sure if Germany had succeeded in taking over the UK in 1940 they wouldn't have found it hard to find willing volunteers to do the dirty work of sorting out the Jews. What this has to do with Russia's efforts to restore its Empire in 2022 is beyond me though. Indeed the man revered in "The Billy Boys" would have been well up for the job being a massive nazi himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) Putin's thoughts on Peter The Great's conquests. (He was only taking back what was rightfully his, like what I'm doing) Quote We visited the exhibition dedicated to the 350th birth anniversary of Peter the Great. Almost nothing has changed. It is a remarkable thing. You come to this realisation, this understanding. Peter the Great waged the Great Northern War for 21 years. On the face of it, he was at war with Sweden taking something away from it… He was not taking away anything, he was returning. This is how it was. The areas around Lake Ladoga, where St Petersburg was founded. When he founded the new capital, none of the European countries recognised this territory as part of Russia; everyone recognised it as part of Sweden. However, from time immemorial, the Slavs lived there along with the Finno-Ugric peoples, and this territory was under Russia’s control. The same is true of the western direction, Narva and his first campaigns. Why would he go there? He was returning and reinforcing, that is what he was doing. Clearly, it fell to our lot to return and reinforce as well. And if we operate on the premise that these basic values constitute the basis of our existence, we will certainly succeed in achieving our goals. http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/68606 P.S. I assume Narva is mentioned as a chilly wink to Estonia. Edited June 10, 2022 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Elon Musk is a dick but this is quality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 4 hours ago, welshbairn said: Maybe if Britain had just started bombing Cork and Dublin and invaded from Ulster, tales of its past barbarity would be a popular topic in the global media. It already is for the country that experienced just that level of barbarity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Wexford https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Drogheda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: Elon Musk is a dick but this is quality. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Putin's thoughts on Peter The Great's conquests. (He was only taking back what was rightfully his, like what I'm doing) http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/68606 P.S. I assume Narva is mentioned as a chilly wink to Estonia. And on the historical point he's correct. Sweden expanded its reach massively during the 17th century at the expense of all its neighbours (there are multiple towns in Czechia, hundreds of miles from the Baltic, that have 'sacked by the Swedes' as a key bookmark in their local history). Earlier in the 17th century, Poland-Lithuania expanded its reach at the expense of its perennial rival: the Muscovite state - later, the Russian Empire. The westward rebound of Russian influence began a couple of generations before Peter the Great, whose role was to complete and consolidate that job. The reality is that geopolitics doesn't magically begin or end at a certain point, just because it is in the interest of someone or even a collective of actors for it to do so. Edited June 10, 2022 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Ukraine losing 600-700 suffering 6-700 casualties a day at the moment. That isn't even taking into account surrenders in occupied villages and town. Surely cannot be sustainable for much longer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 If they can't win an artillery duel then they could always, erm, disengage from that duel rather than trying to rope in billions more in military equipment now right now to stem casualties caused by a moronic strategy. Further evidence as to how Ukraine's leadership and Western liberals are dragging each other inexorably into a forever war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Maybe the Ukrainians aren't keen on letting the Russian mass rapists and murderers loose on their cities again. Give the Russians their due, they do really neat mass graves for their victims. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I'm sure that the ordinary soldiers are thrilled at being churned to bits in a pointlessly stupid 1:15 artillery duel, so that you can continue to act self-righteous on their behalf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 If Wales had just let Ukraine beat them on Sunday those troops would be in Moscow now -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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