Energy Prices

[Michael W]

One way of keeping the bills down IMO. 

Unsure if this is a genuine, likely possibility or if it's scaremongering. The government couldn't summon the guts to run a campaign encouraging people to reduce energy consumption, so encourage this sort of output instead in the hope people will use less. 

FWIW, any failure to ensure sufficient gas is imported is entirely on the government and the government alone. Something something Putin being lined up already as the excuse. 

[RiG]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

I don't see the problem here.

Her advice isn't going to work for everyone but at least it's free advice and will work for some.

The comments on Twitter are frankly pathetic. What's the point in people attacking her? She's not the one who caused wholesale prices to go through the roof. She's simply sharing information on how she copes. What's the point of people raging at her?

If the government don't step in next year I'm not sure what else people are expecting - they'll either have to cut usage or pay through the nose for their energy. Those are the facts. Ranting at a young woman won't change that.

As there any other alternatives that individuals can do for themselves?

The people most affected by this crisis will struggle to follow her advice though, there's no doubt that going central-heating-free is a young, healthy person's game.

It's nothing to do with the person it's everything to do with a newspaper that is trying to normalise these struggles with pieces like this and others they have published in the recent past like "Maybe a blackout is just what the young people of this country needs to teach them some manners", "Why you shouldn't be afraid of fasting" and "Mouldy foods you can eat". Any time there is a crisis or a struggle along comes The Telegraph to try and spin how it isn't actually a bad thing that we can't, for example, keep warm over winter. It's absolute lunacy that we are in this position to begin with but even more mind boggling that will will do their utmost to defend it.

[beefybake]

6 hours ago, Detournement said:

I think they will just do a cap in the winter and frame energy use during the summer as a luxury going forward. Hunt is a Great Reset politician so will be trying to bring down overall consumption and reset expectations about access to energy. 

He is also a prime figure of austerity politics.

He has quite a lot of Teflon on him, and has largely slithered away from any blame for Britain

having the highest number of Covid deaths in Europe. As Health minister he oversaw the scaling back/cancellation of NHS

disaster planning for pandemics such as Covid.

 

[Detournement]

Given the climate crisis and the UK's huge balance of payment deficit it's pretty mental that you have people buying fridges almost as big as cars used to be and many people driving cars the size of tanks. It's completely unsustainable in so many ways. 

However the golden rule under liberalism is that if you have the money you can do whatever the f**k you want. So for all our politicians the way to deal with the crisis is to make sure ever increasing numbers of people have no spending power beyond substinince levels. We are in the first year of the process of reseting the consumption levels of ordinary people. 

What can you do? Vote? Lol. Protest at the weekend? Have fun. Go on strike? It won't impact the wealthy at all.

 

 

 

 

[Cairn Terrier]

The dog is looking at her with a "please, just stick the heating on for 10 minutes" expression on its face. 

My thoughts exactly.

[DA Baracus]

So we're back to folk dreading having to pay circa £4k a year from April.

What exactly are the Tories going to do? Reverse a reversal?

Limiting usage only goes so far, especially for poorer families.

[Billy Jean King]

Given the climate crisis and the UK's huge balance of payment deficit it's pretty mental that you have people buying fridges almost as big as cars used to be and many people driving cars the size of tanks. It's completely unsustainable in so many ways. 
However the golden rule under liberalism is that if you have the money you can do whatever the f**k you want. So for all our politicians the way to deal with the crisis is to make sure ever increasing numbers of people have no spending power beyond substinince levels. We are in the first year of the process of reseting the consumption levels of ordinary people. 
What can you do? Vote? Lol. Protest at the weekend? Have fun. Go on strike? It won't impact the wealthy at all.
 
 
 
 

....first year of resetting....

You have been telling us the great reset has been under way for years and years (and it still isn't)

[Todd_is_God]

 

 

39 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

So we're back to folk dreading having to pay circa £4k a year from April.

What exactly are the Tories going to do? Reverse a reversal?

Limiting usage only goes so far, especially for poorer families.

They've said they would review it ahead of April, which leaves them wiggle room to do pretty much anything and claim it's not a u-turn.

After waiting to see what the land lies like as a whole they could do nothing (i find this unlikely) extend it, offer a further £400 per household type grant (or as a loan, to be paid back over the same time as the original scheme) etc.

They could also spend the time putting in place legislation to remove / suspend the current merit order to lower electricity unit prices, which would massively reduce people's bills over the summer period (and thus, by extention, the cost of support).

Of course those seem like the type of steps a competent government might take, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

As an aside, it's interesting that the swathes of reversals on government spending (that were pointed at as being the major reason for the £ losing value) have left the £ flat against the $ and down versus the €

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

....first year of resetting....

You have been telling us the great reset has been under way for years and years (and it still isn't)

Wait two weeks...

[Detournement]

8 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

....first year of resetting....

You have been telling us the great reset has been under way for years and years (and it still isn't)

It's only been underway since the economy reopened post Covid a year and a bit a go. 

Since then you have seen real wages fall, interest rates increase, rents increase, the price of food and energy soar, mass air travel begin to shut down and now we are being prepared for blackouts this winter. 

[BFTD]

4 hours ago, RiG said:

It's nothing to do with the person it's everything to do with a newspaper that is trying to normalise these struggles with pieces like this and others they have published in the recent past like "Maybe a blackout is just what the young people of this country needs to teach them some manners", "Why you shouldn't be afraid of fasting" and "Mouldy foods you can eat". Any time there is a crisis or a struggle along comes The Telegraph to try and spin how it isn't actually a bad thing that we can't, for example, keep warm over winter. It's absolute lunacy that we are in this position to begin with but even more mind boggling that will will do their utmost to defend it.

"Anthropophagy: the snowflake generation discarding nutritious food"

"Wageless and wasteful: should the economically-inactive eat their effluent?"

15 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

....first year of resetting....

You have been telling us the great reset has been under way for years and years (and it still isn't)

I've had the feeling for some time that H_B's hoping for a mass worldwide suicide.

For him, absolutely everything's awful and there's no way to fix it. Must be a Dundee United fan.

[Todd_is_God]

5 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Didn't the Governor of the BoE say something about bonds today which spooked the markets again and caused another dip?

I'm not sure tbh. But, either way, it has been pretty much flat for a week.

[hk blues]

12 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

As an aside, it's interesting that the swathes of reversals on government spending (that were pointed at as being the major reason for the £ losing value) have left the £ flat against the $ 

Not really flat, definitely showing an upturn, 1.10 / 1.11 to 1.13  Also, the markets had already priced in the reversals so there was never going to be a big jump after the announcement.

 

[Elixir]

16 hours ago, Detournement said:

It's only been underway since the economy reopened post Covid a year and a bit a go.

Since then you have seen real wages fall, interest rates increase, rents increase, the price of food and energy soar, mass air travel begin to shut down and now we are being prepared for blackouts this winter.

Real wages falling, interest rates and rents increasing, food and energy prices rising - this has never happened before!

Mass air travel is literally starting to boom again, and there won't be blackouts this winter because European storage is pretty much full.

[Detournement]

5 hours ago, Elixir said:

Real wages falling, interest rates and rents increasing, food and energy prices rising - this has never happened before!

Mass air travel is literally starting to boom again, and there won't be blackouts this winter because European storage is pretty much full.

A World Economic Forum linked MP has just taken charge of UK economic policy with his chief adviser being a current Black Rock executive but aye it's all a load of nonsense....

Air travel starting to boom in October? Don't think so. 

[RH33]

On 18/10/2022 at 13:07, RiG said:

Fair play to the Telegraph and it's ongoing attempts to normalise the energy crisis with stories like these:

 

I haven't had central heating since August and I'm counting down the days until I can apply for the grant!

[die hard doonhamer]

There were 23.0m passengers passed through UK airports in August 2022 (September data hasn’t been published yet). August 2019 has 30.8m, so volume is still a way off pre-pandemic levels, but well up on the 9.1m of August 2021. 

[TxRover]

On 18/10/2022 at 12:52, Detournement said:

It's only been underway since the economy reopened post Covid a year and a bit a go. 

Since then you have seen real wages fall, interest rates increase, rents increase, the price of food and energy soar, mass air travel begin to shut down and now we are being prepared for blackouts this winter. 

Dear, dear, that’s no reset, that’s inflation. Sorry if you haven’t experienced it before, but everything you list outwith the power issues are directly tied to the massively inflated money supply coming out of COVID resulting in prices climbing across the board. The power issue has another, obvious, source.

[scottsdad]

4 hours ago, RH33 said:

I haven't had central heating since August and I'm counting down the days until I can apply for the grant!

@oaksoft take note. This is how it is done, not cracking in September and cranking up the furnace. 

[hk blues]

On 18/10/2022 at 20:07, RiG said:

Fair play to the Telegraph and it's ongoing attempts to normalise the energy crisis with stories like these:

 

The dog looks like it's counting the days until it can get a heat again!