The Big Queen's Park FC Thread

[ExiledLichtie]

48 minutes ago, Hampden Diehard said:

This is what Queen's were told and there will have been a date at which this applied, so "recent memory" doesn't mean much. Certainly, Edinburgh City or whatever they're called let people stand, although my understanding is that it's not actually a terracing. That was actually raised at the meeting.

I'd be interested to hear what the "plenty" , "plenty" and particularly "plans for new terracing at other venues including new builds" you refer to are. 

Were Queens actually told this, or did your board tell you that Queens were told this?  There is a distinction between the two.   I've been part of the discussions when this was raised previously, and I don't think anyone managed to find a single thing in the SFA regulations that supports this.

[Le Tout P'ti FC]

Not massively encouraged by this filing. Next accounts are now not due to be filed until 31 March 2024.

Perhaps a 30th June accounting date is sensible for a football club to use, but it doesn’t reek of transparency.

The 31st December had been in use since at least 1985 (as long ago as the online filing records go back to).

[Grumpy Soo-sider]

16 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:

Not massively encouraged by this filing. Next accounts are now not due to be filed until 31 March 2024.

Perhaps a 30th June accounting date is sensible for a football club to use, but it doesn’t reek of transparency.

The 31st December had been in use since at least 1985 (as long ago as the online filing records go back to).

The change of accounting period was approved by members at an EGM on 5 July. As you point out, a June 30th accounting date is sensible for a football club to use. 

[Hampden Diehard]

35 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said:

Were Queens actually told this, or did your board tell you that Queens were told this?  There is a distinction between the two.   I've been part of the discussions when this was raised previously, and I don't think anyone managed to find a single thing in the SFA regulations that supports this.

I wasn't involved directly so I can't be sure. I know for a fact though that the club argued their case.  The SFA do their own thing so it wouldn't surprise me whether what they said was backed up by regulations. However, Queen's are unlikely to shell out for seating if the less expensive alternative was an option.

[Hampden Diehard]

22 minutes ago, Le Tout P'ti FC said:

Not massively encouraged by this filing. Next accounts are now not due to be filed until 31 March 2024.

Perhaps a 30th June accounting date is sensible for a football club to use, but it doesn’t reek of transparency.

 

The members of the club get to see the audited accounts. That's about as transparent as it gets.

As was explained at the meeting, the 30th June year end allows them to prepare a budget for the next year, knowing what division they'll be in.  I don't think we should read anything sinister in it. Once we get into the 30th June annual cycle, the accounts will make a lot more sense as they'll follow a logical trading year.

[HoBNob]

17 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

If even half of this is true then Queen's Park fans should be very, very worried.

Instead it appears, from the outside, that most are either clapping this on or hoping for the best, rather than taking action now when it is needed. I know this from experience.

A million times this. It's utterly clear this isn't sustainable, in the slightest. But there's not a peep or hee haw from the QP fans. 

[Derry Alli]

On 03/07/2023 at 13:36, Spider Rico said:

Are we really marketing a hospitality package for which guests receive only a single complimentary drink with their meal? 

I just had a look and it's 4 drinks (which is a reasonable amount of alcohol).

Has it been upped?

[Spider Rico]

20 minutes ago, Derry Alli said:

I just had a look and it's 4 drinks (which is a reasonable amount of alcohol).

Has it been upped?

They missed it from the original post seemingly. Things quite often go out on the club socials without proof reading.

[Arachnophile]

43 minutes ago, HoBNob said:

A million times this. It's utterly clear this isn't sustainable, in the slightest. But there's not a peep or hee haw from the QP fans. 

Thanks for your concern.

 

Now, I'm sure you have something better to do on a Sunday afternoon.

[Hampden Diehard]

1 hour ago, HoBNob said:

A million times this. It's utterly clear this isn't sustainable, in the slightest. But there's not a peep or hee haw from the QP fans. 

What "action" would you and BA propose? Turn the cash down? If we end up in the Premier and playing at Hampden, it will be sustainable.

There's been plenty of peep and hee haw from QP fans; this is another of these comments without any substance. Do you not think we've asked questions?

The difference is the guy who's putting in the cash. He's a local guy who has a track record of investing in local sports and youth projects and who has no interest in publicising it.

Just about every team in Scotland is propped up by a guy with cash. Almost no one is self sustainable, financing themselves through gate money. Some guys are just happy to fire shots at us to deflect from the position their own club is in.

Our situation is a lot more sustainable than most. At least for the ten year period that we (hopefully) have a guarantee for.

[Grumpy Soo-sider]

1 hour ago, HoBNob said:

A million times this. It's utterly clear this isn't sustainable, in the slightest. But there's not a peep or hee haw from the QP fans. 

Are you new here?

[ExiledLichtie]

1 minute ago, Hampden Diehard said:

 

Just about every team in Scotland is propped up by a guy with cash. Almost no one is self sustainable, financing themselves through gate money. Some guys are just happy to fire shots at us to deflect from the position their own club is in.

 

Hi!  Its perfectly possible to be self sustaining.  

[QPSpider1867]

On 08/07/2023 at 10:26, DA Baracus said:

How has this absolute farce with Lesser come about? Who decided on the ridiculous, stupid layout? It's so short sighted and limiting and seems to go against everything else your club is saying.

What’s worse is no one taking any accountability or offering an apology. A host of questions from all different types of supporters were met with contempt, arrogance and deflection. The President answers were either, “right”, “okay”, or some defensive counter argument steeped in denial. 

At no point did anyone take accountability for anything that’s happened in the last 3 years, apologise or say what went wrong and how they plan to do it differently. Speaking with the President is just a total waste of time in my opinion. 

[Hampden Diehard]

9 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said:

Hi!  Its perfectly possible to be self sustaining.  

Your club is better than most but you do have a number of local guys putting money in. And good luck to you for that. You're not doing what you're doing on gate receipts alone; you are well run with decent sponsors. You have a number of people supporting you financially. And, as I say, good luck to you.

[HoBNob]

5 minutes ago, Hampden Diehard said:

What "action" would you and BA propose? Turn the cash down? If we end up in the Premier and playing at Hampden, it will be sustainable.

There's been plenty of peep and hee haw from QP fans; this is another of these comments without any substance. Do you not think we've asked questions?

The difference is the guy who's putting in the cash. He's a local guy who has a track record of investing in local sports and youth projects and who has no interest in publicising it.

Just about every team in Scotland is propped up by a guy with cash. Almost no one is self sustainable, financing themselves through gate money. Some guys are just happy to fire shots at us to deflect from the position their own club is in.

Our situation is a lot more sustainable than most. At least for the ten year period that we (hopefully) have a guarantee for.

What action are you going to take when Haughey fucks off? Start thinking that way because that's inevitable, whether it's ten years, whether it's twenty, what action do you take then? 

Just look at what you've posted there, providing you play at a level you've never played at, in a stadium you don't own, you'll be sustainable. Sooking the old firm boaby dry. Not growing your fanbase, getting to a level where you can get enough old firm fans in. Christ, does that not utterly depress you? The money from the Hampden sale totally wasted on a vanity trip and a rich owners plaything. 

If you've asked questions, what have you done when the answers were so lacking? 

Are there any other teams doing it to the level that QP currently are? Are there any other teams that will be in such a horrific state when they're owner leaves? Roy up at County funds them, but when he leaves they'll still have there stadium. When Haughey kicks the bucket will you be able to afford the rent for Hampden? Or are you back at Lesser and all the problems that entails? 

I genuinely can't think of a club in Scotland that is less sustainable, that have so many red flags. 

[Zanetti]

22 minutes ago, HoBNob said:

What action are you going to take when Haughey fucks off? Start thinking that way because that's inevitable, whether it's ten years, whether it's twenty, what action do you take then? 

Just look at what you've posted there, providing you play at a level you've never played at, in a stadium you don't own, you'll be sustainable. Sooking the old firm boaby dry. Not growing your fanbase, getting to a level where you can get enough old firm fans in. Christ, does that not utterly depress you? The money from the Hampden sale totally wasted on a vanity trip and a rich owners plaything. 

If you've asked questions, what have you done when the answers were so lacking? 

Are there any other teams doing it to the level that QP currently are? Are there any other teams that will be in such a horrific state when they're owner leaves? Roy up at County funds them, but when he leaves they'll still have there stadium. When Haughey kicks the bucket will you be able to afford the rent for Hampden? Or are you back at Lesser and all the problems that entails? 

I genuinely can't think of a club in Scotland that is less sustainable, that have so many red flags. 

Haughey does not own Queen's Park. I'd recommend doing even the bare minimum research before getting your knickers in such a twist.

[HoBNob]

5 minutes ago, Zanetti said:

Haughey does not own Queen's Park. I'd recommend doing even the bare minimum research before getting your knickers in such a twist.

I never said he did at any point. 

[Zanetti]

3 minutes ago, HoBNob said:

I never said he did at any point. 

I'm not sure if you maybe have short term memory loss, but the post I quoted (which you wrote) referred to him as our "owner" twice.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Zanetti

[EaglesandSpiders]

Happy QP day! 

[Mission]

I have never read so much moaning from our own supporters and those of other teams. 

Ok, there are problems. But....We are in the championship, we are back playing at Hampden, we have an excellent management and coaching team as well as first-class training facilities. Oh, and we are quoted as 2nd favourites to win the league.

I remember walking back home in 1974 after a 0-0 draw with East Fife on a wet Tuesday night. At the time I didn't have enough pocket money to get the train. Who cares if what we are doing is sustainable in 10, 20 years' time. Plenty of teams have disappeared from the league in recent years.

I am enjoying the ride, it's way better than shuffling about league two for years on end. I even have enough money for the train home these days. I could be dead tomorrow, who cares if it goes txxts up. Enjoy the ride.