The Queen of the South thread

[Skyline Drifter]

5 hours ago, Steeplechat said:

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/child-porn-perv-turned-fake-11283029

Anyone remember this sad individual ? I’m sure he’s the guy who tried to buy Queens a few seasons back

He fronted a consortium who certainly didn't have the good of the club at the forefront of their thoughts. He wasn't the money man though and wouldn't have been the actual buyer.

[Nithsdale Wanderer]

5 hours ago, Doonhamer doon south said:

I have no grudges with robinson. He was the centre of disruption at the club he is now gone and I wish him well. 

What evidence, if any, do you have for this slur ?

[mckenna]

What evidence, if any, do you have for this slur ?

Probably the same evidence as you questioning the managers attitude ?

[Brother Grimm]

Club legend, not even the best keeper this decade.

[Nithsdale Wanderer]

13 hours ago, mckenna said:

Probably the same evidence as you questioning the managers attitude ?

Plenty of video evidence to back that up as well as actions.

12 hours ago, Brother Grimm said:

Club legend, not even the best keeper this decade.

I would agree with that BUT  that entire double-winning, record breaking group of management, staff and players go down as legends in my book.

I am just approaching my half-century of attending Palmerston and I can honestly say that season was the most exciting, positive, attacking  and winning football I have ever witnessed from a Queens team and it was delivered consistently.

Robinson certainly played his part in that.

[Fae_the_'briggs]

6 minutes ago, Nithsdale Wanderer said:

Plenty of video evidence to back that up as well as actions.

I would agree with that BUT  that entire double-winning, record breaking group of management, staff and players go down as legends in my book.

I am just approaching my half-century of attending Palmerston and I can honestly say that season was the most exciting, positive, attacking  and winning football I have ever witnessed from a Queens team and it was delivered consistently.

Robinson certainly played his part in that.

So romping to a virtually unchallenged title in the 3rd tier of Senior football,  the only full time team in that division,  and lifting a trophy that no top flight team could enter,  in your eyes elevates that squad and management team to Legend status?  Yes it was noteworthy,  deserving of praise,  plenty of excitement ,  and the scenes at the Cup Final will be remembered for a long time by every Queens fan that was there,  but  in reality hardly a legendary feat worthy of bestowing Sainthood on all involved. .  I suppose that high points are few and far between supporting Queens so we have to grasp any success with both hands,   but some perspective  also needs to be applied. 

[palmy_cammy]

If we're talking recent successes, James Fowler leading us to fourth in 2014/15 is a vastly underrated achievement.  Probably due to the disappointing season he followed it up with.  I'd be inclined to rate that achievements of that season higher than the double winning season.

It doesn't make James Fowler a legend though.

[Sloop John B]

7 hours ago, Nithsdale Wanderer said:

Plenty of video evidence to back that up as well as actions.

I would agree with that BUT  that entire double-winning, record breaking group of management, staff and players go down as legends in my book.

I am just approaching my half-century of attending Palmerston and I can honestly say that season was the most exciting, positive, attacking  and winning football I have ever witnessed from a Queens team and it was delivered consistently.

Robinson certainly played his part in that.

 

I for one, welcome Mark Fitzpatrick and Steven Black into our hall of fame.

Edited October 5, 2017 by Sloop John B

[Rjc-1988]

I get the debate regarding that over used term legendary status but for me that AJ team was outstanding. Yes it was in the third tier of Scottish football but on top of winning that "double" - we beat Hibs at home, Rangers away ( albeit AET & Pens), outplayed Killie in Cup for long spells with 10 men and battered DUFC and somehow ended up losing 0-1.

I would take that squad over the current squad ( even with Dobbie) to outperform them comprehensively over a season both in terms of results and quality of football.

I agree that Fowler's 4th place was a fantastic achievement and that team had a grit that is sadly lacking in current squad.

The current squad have the talent to do much better but until this group of players find a way to grind out results especially when we are creating a much higher ratio of chances than opposition,we will not emulate the AJ/Fowler squads.

[palmy_cammy]

I get the debate regarding that over used term legendary status but for me that AJ team was outstanding. Yes it was in the third tier of Scottish football but on top of winning that "double" - we beat Hibs at home, Rangers away ( albeit AET & Pens), outplayed Killie in Cup for long spells with 10 men and battered DUFC and somehow ended up losing 0-1.

I would take that squad over the current squad ( even with Dobbie) to outperform them comprehensively over a season both in terms of results and quality of football.

I agree that Fowler's 4th place was a fantastic achievement and that team had a grit that is sadly lacking in current squad.

The current squad have the talent to do much better but until this group of players find a way to grind out results especially when we are creating a much higher ratio of chances than opposition,we will not emulate the AJ/Fowler squads.

I’m afraid beating a Pat Fenlon Hibs side, drawing with an Ally McCoist Rangers side, and losing to Kilmarnock and Dundee United does nothing to strengthen the legendary argument.

[Sloop John B]

It's fine to say that a team was very good, hence why the vast majority hung around for at least a season afterwards, but they just aren't legendary (Apart from Derek Lyle for obvious reasons). To put Lee Robinson in the same bracket as the people in the HoF and Stephen Dobbie is just insulting to the entire concept.

[lionel wickson]

19 minutes ago, Sloop John B said:

It's fine to say that a team was very good, hence why the vast majority hung around for at least a season afterwards, but they just aren't legendary (Apart from Derek Lyle for obvious reasons). To put Lee Robinson in the same bracket as the people in the HoF and Stephen Dobbie is just insulting to the entire concept.

He's certainly no Alan Ball.

[Nithsdale Wanderer]

10 hours ago, lionel wickson said:

He's certainly no Alan Ball

Absolutely not.   Not even an Allan Ball !

I grew up watching the great man and have had the pleasure of chatting with him on several occasions over the years.

I think it's time to get back to the real issue here.

My point is not so much about legendary status or not but about a player being singled out, disrespected, and accused of being a disruptive influence at the Club when I have neither seen nor heard any evidence of such a thing.

Apart from not being at his best last season as far as I am aware he has done nothing to be awkward or disrespect the Club in any way.

As is his right, the Manager decided he didn't want to keep him nor select him under any circumstance.

It's not as if Robinson decided he didn't want to play any more and sit on the remaining year of his contract.

It's quite clear the Manager wanted him out - along with several other stalwarts - which was always going to cost the Club money under the circumstances.

Robinson would be entitled to every penny due and rightly so. 

Of course, the situation was compounded by the injury to Martin and the Manager showed his stubborn streak in not wanting to look foolish by backing down and selecting Robinson.  

If he is prepared to keep playing Martin through injury and not training then he clearly thinks Leighfield is not yet up to it.

In not selecting a fit, experienced 'keeper in those circumstances is poor, poor management.   His responsibility is to put the best available team of players on the park and to do the best for the team.

Someone said previously that Atkinson was gone " by association".

If that is true then that is another bad decision by the Manager which has come back to bite him.

If he wanted shot of Robinson fine but in Atkinson he would have had a reliable, experienced 'keeper as back-up.

[Nithsdale Wanderer]

11 hours ago, Sloop John B said:

To put Lee Robinson in the same bracket as the people in the HoF and Stephen Dobbie is just insulting to the entire concept.

Would you not put Nicky Clark ahead of Dobbie ?

He is, after all, our joint record holder for goals scored in a single season and has 2 medals and other accolades to show for it !

Of course, Del tops them both.

[19QOS19]

Would you not put Nicky Clark ahead of Dobbie ?
He is, after all, our joint record holder for goals scored in a single season and has 2 medals and other accolades to show for it !
Of course, Del tops them both.

I'd say Dobbie 20+ goals in the Championship is a far better achievement than Clark's haul in the seaside league.

[die hard doonhamer]

4 hours ago, Nithsdale Wanderer said:

If he wanted shot of Robinson fine but in Atkinson he would have had a reliable, experienced 'keeper as back-up.

Atkinson made a total of 19 senior appearances for us. While I'm not saying that I was all for him leaving, you simply cannot claim that he was an "experienced" option. He is absolutely an inexperienced, and relatively unknown, goalkeeper. 

[Nithsdale Wanderer]

40 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said:

He is absolutely an inexperienced, and relatively unknown, goalkeeper. 

That is Leighfield you are describing.

So Atkinson with 19 appearances - your figure - is therefore relatively experienced and in addition has trained and been around the 1st team squad  for years.

Thank you for re-inforcing my point.

[die hard doonhamer]

33 minutes ago, Nithsdale Wanderer said:

That is Leighfield you are describing.

So Atkinson with 19 appearances - your figure - is therefore relatively experienced and in addition has trained and been around the 1st team squad  for years.

Thank you for re-inforcing my point.

Both are inexperienced. Leighfield will have been cheaper. Very simple decision for the manager to make.

[Sloop John B]

6 hours ago, Nithsdale Wanderer said:

Would you not put Nicky Clark ahead of Dobbie ?

He is, after all, our joint record holder for goals scored in a single season and has 2 medals and other accolades to show for it !

Of course, Del tops them both.

 1 excellent season at a lower level surrounded by a very strong team  ≠ coming up to 4 and a half seasons of dominance at a better level with often inferior teammates/coaches. 

 

[palmy_cammy]