How do you solve a problem like the Scottish Premiership?

[Edward]

Scottish Premier League of 16 professional clubs.

Clubs who finish 1 to 6 play off the championship and European places

Clubs 7-10 play off against each other with the winner facing the team finishing firth

clubs facing 11-16 Relegation League. Bottom two Relegated.  The club placed 14th play off against the winner of the Championship play offs.

 

Scottish Championship of 18 of professional Clubs

 Top two automatically promoted.

Teams finishing third to eight enter play offs with the 14th team from the Premier League who enters semi final. 

 

League one and two 14 Semi professional clubs

Winner is promoted subject to meeting requirements

Bottom two relegated to league two. Bottom team in league two relegated

 

National Leagues of 14 clubs- Amatuer 

A, B,C,D  each winner plays against each other to go up-subject to requirements. 

 

Financial Distribution 

TV money, Gates money  etc. shared equally amongst clubs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheScarf]

On 18/06/2023 at 10:23, Ya Bezzer! said:

In the 2022/23 season 4 Scottish players, 21 or under, managed 10 starts in the Scottish Premier League.

In the 2022/23 season  12 English players, 21 or under, managed 10 starts in the Scottish Premier League.

In the 2022/23 season 5 players of other nationalities, 21 or under, managed 10 starts in the Scottish Premier League.

Overall 156 Scottish players made an appearance for a Scottish Premiership Club (all competitions) in season 2022/23.

Overall 231 foreign players made an appearance for a Scottish Premiership Club in season 2022/23.

Rather amazingly, if only Scottish goal scorers were counted, Rangers would have finished bottom of the league with 0 wins.

Is it not widely accepted that Rangers don't play youth players?  It's all about overhauling Celtic and their fans would never stand for blooding in youngsters if they were still in with a shout of the league after the split.

Likewise said youngsters would be the scapegoat for any dropped points against anyone other than Celtic.

[Raidernation]

On 18/06/2023 at 02:01, willywastecoat said:

Who cares were the players haved played to get into the national team?
The important part is there development.

Chryst! Learn the difference between there, their and they're. And Haved?

f**k you're not very good at this posting thing, it even highlights  mistakes.

[1GregStewart]

On 18/06/2023 at 19:06, Edward said:

Scottish Premier League of 16 professional clubs.

Clubs who finish 1 to 6 play off the championship and European places

Clubs 7-10 play off against each other with the winner facing the team finishing firth

clubs facing 11-16 Relegation League. Bottom two Relegated.  The club placed 14th play off against the winner of the Championship play offs.

 

Scottish Championship of 18 of professional Clubs

 Top two automatically promoted.

Teams finishing third to eight enter play offs with the 14th team from the Premier League who enters semi final. 

 

League one and two 14 Semi professional clubs

Winner is promoted subject to meeting requirements

Bottom two relegated to league two. Bottom team in league two relegated

 

National Leagues of 14 clubs- Amatuer 

A, B,C,D  each winner plays against each other to go up-subject to requirements. 

 

Financial Distribution 

TV money, Gates money  etc. shared equally amongst clubs 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While no set up is perfect, there’s a lot to like about this.

[Monkey Tennis]

On 24/06/2023 at 09:42, 1GregStewart said:

While no set up is perfect, there’s a lot to like about this.

Maybe in terms of distribution of income.

Otherwise though, it features lots of unnecessary nonsense.  I don't, for the life of me, see how we could determine that particular divisions would be "professional" , "semi-professional", " amateur" or whatever, yet allow for plenty of promtion and relegation between them.  How on earth is that meant to work?

Edited June 26, 2023 by Monkey Tennis

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Maybe in terms of distribution of income.

Otherwise though, it features lots of unnecessary nonsense.  I don't, for the life of me, see how we could determine that paricular divisions would be "professional" , "semi-professional", " amateur" or whatever, yet allow for plenty of promtion and relegation between them.  How on earth is that meant to work?

It won't, it's pie in the sky. 

[Sparticus]

Two regional premeirships(East prem and West prem)

Both have their usual league campaign with the two eventual winners meeting for a superbowl style finale at Hampden?

 

[1GregStewart]

2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

Maybe in terms of distribution of income.

Otherwise though, it features lots of unnecessary nonsense.  I don't, for the life of me, see how we could determine that paricular divisions would be "professional" , "semi-professional", " amateur" or whatever, yet allow for plenty of promtion and relegation between them.  How on earth is that meant to work?

Don’t think branding was the posters strong point right enough. 
I like the flow of it all and the structures though. 

[10menwent2mow]

On 18/06/2023 at 10:23, Ya Bezzer! said:

 

Rather amazingly, if only Scottish goal scorers were counted, Rangers would have finished bottom of the league with 0 wins.

They'd only have scored 2 goals by my reckoning but would've beaten Celtic 1-0 after the split with Souttar's goal. 

[kennie makevin]

Depriving the lower placed clubs a proper pre-season with a chance to introduce young players in the relaxed environment of pre-season friendlies and instead forcing them into the nonsense of competitive  football in the middle of July certainly doesn't help. It's almost as though this new sectional League Cup format was deliberately designed to hand the Old Firm even more of an advantage..

Edited July 19, 2023 by kennie makevin
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[gannonball]

15 minutes ago, kennie makevin said:

Depriving the lower placed clubs a proper pre-season with a chance to introduce young players in the relaxed environment of pre-season friendlies and instead forcing them into the nonsense of competitive  football in the middle of July certainly doesn't help. It's almost as though this new sectional League Cup format was deliberately designed to hand the Old Firm even more of an advantage..

A 'relaxed environment'  can tell you very little about a player often compared to competitive football. Having a mini league set up allows a player to play  in a competitive environment and let the manager take a calculated risk playing them knowing they can afford to  to play the young player(s) and not get knocked out from one game. As for the last bit of your post take the tin hat off for once ffs.

Edited July 19, 2023 by gannonball

[kennie makevin]

32 minutes ago, gannonball said:

A 'relaxed environment'  can tell you very little about a player often compared to competitive football. Having a mini league set up allows a player to play  in a competitive environment and let the manager take a calculated risk playing them knowing they can afford to  to play the young player(s) and not get knocked out from one game. As for the last bit of your post take the tin hat off for once ffs.

If this 'mini league' in the middle of July was so wonderful then Celtic would be banging Doncaster's door down to be a part of it rather than strolling nonchalantly about Japan gently building up their players fitness .

[gannonball]

Just now, kennie makevin said:

If this 'mini league' in the middle of July was so wonderful then Celtic would be banging Doncaster's door down to be a part of it rather than strolling nonchalantly about Japan gently building up their players fitness .

Its not 'wonderful' but it brings  competitive football before the league starts without the monopoly of straight knock out football. The only reason why we are in Japan is because we don't have the usual European 'qualifiers' to navigate past this season.

[AJF]

2 hours ago, kennie makevin said:

Depriving the lower placed clubs a proper pre-season with a chance to introduce young players in the relaxed environment of pre-season friendlies and instead forcing them into the nonsense of competitive  football in the middle of July certainly doesn't help. It's almost as though this new sectional League Cup format was deliberately designed to hand the Old Firm even more of an advantage..

5 top flight teams are not involved in the league cup group stages, almost half the league.

Why does your reasoning imply this hands only Rangers and Celtic an advantage?

[kennie makevin]

11 minutes ago, AJF said:

5 top flight teams are not involved in the league cup group stages, almost half the league.

Why does your reasoning imply this hands only Rangers and Celtic an advantage?

They will generate far more money through 'prestige' friendlies by avoiding the nonsense of competitive club football in July, than the other three. 

[kennie makevin]

56 minutes ago, gannonball said:

Its not 'wonderful' but it brings  competitive football before the league starts without the monopoly of straight knock out football. The only reason why we are in Japan is because we don't have the usual European 'qualifiers' to navigate past this season.

Why do you need 'competitive football before the season starts' ? A couple of dodgy results, a defeat or two in a penalty shootout and a club may be out of one of only two competitions they could ever hope to win by August. It's insanity. And all because of this crazed obsession with 'meaningful' matches. I can remember the previous League Cup sections. Every club involved and didn't start until August. And Celtic's pre-season warm-up consisting of a close defeat down the A74 to Carlisle Utd followed by Leeds Utd or Manchester City in Glasgow rarely did them any harm. 

[Monkey Tennis]

3 hours ago, kennie makevin said:

Depriving the lower placed clubs a proper pre-season with a chance to introduce young players in the relaxed environment of pre-season friendlies and instead forcing them into the nonsense of competitive  football in the middle of July certainly doesn't help. It's almost as though this new sectional League Cup format was deliberately designed to hand the Old Firm even more of an advantage..

I know that our game conspires at virtually every opportunity to further advantage the OF.

I've gotta say, however, that the above theory sounds like a reach.

[gannonball]

Just now, kennie makevin said:

Why do you need 'competitive football before the season starts' ? A couple of dodgy results, a defeat or two in a penalty shootout and a club may be out of one of only two competitions they could ever hope to win by August. It's insanity. And all because of this crazed obsession with 'meaningful' matches. 

It came about because we start the season earlier now do we not? There is less opposition about at that time so you would be likely be playing domestic teams anyway. The teams also get 50 grand for making it out the group which is a handy time to get prize money for players for squads. If you don't like it fine but it's got f**k all really to with giving Celtic an advantage or 'crazed' obsessions with meaningful matches. 

Edited July 19, 2023 by gannonball

[ahemps]

37 minutes ago, kennie makevin said:

Why do you need 'competitive football before the season starts' ? A couple of dodgy results, a defeat or two in a penalty shootout and a club may be out of one of only two competitions they could ever hope to win by August. It's insanity. And all because of this crazed obsession with 'meaningful' matches. I can remember the previous League Cup sections. Every club involved and didn't start until August. And Celtic's pre-season warm-up consisting of a close defeat down the A74 to Carlisle Utd followed by Leeds Utd or Manchester City in Glasgow rarely did them any harm. 

It is a cup competition, how many dodgy results do you want teams to get? 1 bad result and you can still recover from it and get through in this format. II don't think the early league cup groups are an issue.

An issue is that the European qualified teams join at the last 16 in a seeded draw means they are pretty much getting a free pass to the quarters but I don't no what would be a better way to do it????

[AJF]

1 hour ago, kennie makevin said:

They will generate far more money through 'prestige' friendlies by avoiding the nonsense of competitive club football in July, than the other three. 

But I thought the issue was around depriving teams of a pre-season by starting the league cup at this stage? You’re tying yourself in knots here to try and manufacture a reason why this only benefits Rangers and Celtic.