Gordon EF Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, lau03143 said: Constitutional Monarchies work, by theoretically having parliament accountable to a Monarch through various conventions, oaths etc. Some of the most stable democracies and highest GDP economies in the world are Constitutional Monarchies. Britain (plus Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc), Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, and Sweden are all good examples. Plenty of the most stable democracies and highest GDP countries in the world are republics though. Here's nine that all have higher GDPs per capita than the UK. Singapore, Ireland, Switzerland, USA, Austria, Iceland, Germany, Finland, France. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Plenty of the most stable democracies and highest GDP countries in the world are republics though. Here's nine that all have higher GDPs per capita than the UK. Singapore, Ireland, Switzerland, USA, Austria, Iceland, Germany, Finland, France. Pfft, stupid successful EU countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, lau03143 said: I find the discussion of Republic vs. Monarchy very interesting, but what no one can explain with a Republic is how to protect against Populist factions, which can cause mayhem with most Republics. Or to protect against a lunatic President (like Trump). Constitutional Monarchies work, by theoretically having parliament accountable to a Monarch through various conventions, oaths etc. Some of the most stable democracies and highest GDP economies in the world are Constitutional Monarchies. Britain (plus Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc), Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, and Sweden are all good examples. BiB - unless you can determine a different correlation between the two, I tend to believe that some stable countries with high GDPs have simply still got their constitutional monarchs through a lack of will to get rid of them, rather than stability and high GDP being in any way a result of their having constitutional monarchs. Stability comes from the people’s willingness to participate peacefully, not from the top. Incidentally, it’s worth looking at modern Germany and Ireland to see how to have a functioning democracy with constitutional presidents and without crazy populists wielding executive power (like, you know, arch-monarchists Boris Johnson and Liz Truss here). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Would any right-minded group of individuals when designing a new state from scratch say "let's give the top job to this bloke and his descendants can rule over us for ever more"? Unless the answer is yes, there's no reason to keep the monarchy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 That’s a fair trek up to St Giles for an old King and his noncey brother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Neither will the Empire. (Maybe that’s the point you were making?) Well it's the point I was making - Antigua and Barbuda is already out of the traps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Aye and the bit about having his own toilet seat carried around for him. Yet this is the Britain most people seem to want. To be fair, if I was in a position where I could have someone carry round a personal toilet seat for me, I'd definitely be using it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, Lofarl said: That’s a fair trek up to St Giles for an old King and his noncey brother. I bet they are now wishing they had put the coffin in The Castle now. It would have all been downhill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, tamthebam said: It reminds me of the first Blackadder where Prince Edmund was stripped of all titles except Lord Warden of the Royal Privies. Now his Royal Nonceness has the role of going about picking up dug shite (which he won't do obv) Don't feel sorry for him - we've already paid him c.£2m per dug that he'll clean up after. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Lofarl said: That’s a fair trek up to St Giles for an old King and his noncey brother. It'll be absolutely killing him that he's the only one not military uniform. I hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 That’s several days now that Jedward have been absolutely killing it in the political commentary whilst every major UK news outlet has been using its tears as lube in a horrifying circle-jerk. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, lau03143 said: As we move forward though, I think it's important from any government to review the role of Monarchy, whether that be Westminster or Holyrood, and I think any future vote on Independence, the any party taking part should clearly state in it's manifesto it's long term strategy on the Monarchy. Two totally different things. Why confuse them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 There will be a lot of seethe that Wee Nippy got to do a reading. Not one of her most rousing speeches, tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearthammer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Just switched on to the service. I see all of the circus performers are decked out in their full fancy dress outfits with all of them bedecked in a wheen of medals and trinkets - even wee Eddie. The Americans must love all this shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Maybe if she'd sung it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, hearthammer said: Just switched on to the service. I see all of the circus performers are decked out in their full fancy dress outfits with all of them bedecked in a wheen of medals and trinkets - even wee Eddie. The Americans must love all this shit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, DiegoDiego said: Would any right-minded group of individuals when designing a new state from scratch say "let's give the top job to this bloke and his descendants can rule over us for ever more"? Unless the answer is yes, there's no reason to keep the monarchy. Somewhere that's had a monarchy for over 1,000 years, possibly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 This young lad was shouting peado at Prince Andrew - he got dragged out by two fat radges and the polis huckled him away......................good to see the guardians of law and order doing exactly what we expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I just want those African boys to be the pallbearers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, hearthammer said: Just switched on to the service. I see all of the circus performers are decked out in their full fancy dress outfits with all of them bedecked in a wheen of medals and trinkets - even wee Eddie. The Americans must love all this shit. Breznhev liked a medal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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