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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:


Why would that lead to an election?

Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration?

In that scenario, there's no FM.

If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)?

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

They've done fine running a minority Government before, and it's the members who choose, not the MSPs.

I get this, but it's not exactly the same as the 2007-2011 period or latterly where the Greens were happy enough supporting Sturgeon most of the time on budgets etc....if the Greens are implacably opposed to whoever the SNP leader is, will they vote alongside or stymie everything? If you're at "FM as lame duck" territory, what then?

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1 hour ago, carpetmonster said:

You don’t realise how deep ‘two cheeks’ actually runs until you’ve witnessed Sevconians rush to stick themselves on the same cross as Angela Haggerty 

 

Given most people backing off Forbes will now be backing Humza you can mark that off as another steaming hot take for Scotlands worst journalist.

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27 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration?

In that scenario, there's no FM.

If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)?

As far as I'm aware the FM vote isn't for or against. Each nomination is voted on and the one with majority support gets elected as FM (abstentions are excluded). Unless greens, labour, lib dems, and tories all vote together for an alternative candidate then the SNP leader will be FM.

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33 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration?

In that scenario, there's no FM.

If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)?


The election of the First Minister does not require a majority vote, so as you have noted yourself, even without the Greens the SNP could operate as a minority government. This will presumably be the case if Forbes or Regan are elected.

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17 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration?

In that scenario, there's no FM.

Not quite. It's vanishingly unlikely that parliament would fail to elect an FM.

A candidate simply has to have a simple majority of votes cast. Abstentions don't count.

In the event of more than two candidates running and nobody getting a majority the candidate with the least votes would drop out.

To stop the leader of the SNP becoming FM all opposition parties would need to actively endorse another candidate or SNP members would need to vote for that other candidate.

 

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38 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration?

In that scenario, there's no FM.

If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)?

More confirmation that the new leader of the Scottish Government needs to get the Scottish Greens into the sea. The tail is attempting to wag the dog here.

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42 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

More confirmation that the new leader of the Scottish Government needs to get the Scottish Greens into the sea. The tail is attempting to wag the dog here.


Based on an entirely fictitious set of events that aren't actually happening?

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