welshbairn Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I thought someone else might put themselves forward before Friday but it would look now like a direct attack on Humza which would probably take too much bottle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Can’t see this pathetic leadership race convincing people to vote SNP. Just as well the elections are a way off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Can’t see this pathetic leadership race convincing people to vote SNP. Just as well the elections are a way off. Not if the SNP don't elect exactly who The Greens tell them to..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 10 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Worked for North Haverbrook, you got my vote. We need more monorail’s in this country. They are the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Not if the SNP don't elect exactly who The Greens tell them to..... Why would that lead to an election? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Not if the SNP don't elect exactly who The Greens tell them to..... They've done fine running a minority Government before, and it's the members who choose, not the MSPs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: Why would that lead to an election? Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration? In that scenario, there's no FM. If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Binos said: Baffled the entire political discourse has devolved to gender issues What about the economy What about Independence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: They've done fine running a minority Government before, and it's the members who choose, not the MSPs. I get this, but it's not exactly the same as the 2007-2011 period or latterly where the Greens were happy enough supporting Sturgeon most of the time on budgets etc....if the Greens are implacably opposed to whoever the SNP leader is, will they vote alongside or stymie everything? If you're at "FM as lame duck" territory, what then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said: What about Independence The whataboutery levels are high enough now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, carpetmonster said: You don’t realise how deep ‘two cheeks’ actually runs until you’ve witnessed Sevconians rush to stick themselves on the same cross as Angela Haggerty Given most people backing off Forbes will now be backing Humza you can mark that off as another steaming hot take for Scotlands worst journalist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dink Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration? In that scenario, there's no FM. If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)? As far as I'm aware the FM vote isn't for or against. Each nomination is voted on and the one with majority support gets elected as FM (abstentions are excluded). Unless greens, labour, lib dems, and tories all vote together for an alternative candidate then the SNP leader will be FM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration? In that scenario, there's no FM. If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)? The election of the First Minister does not require a majority vote, so as you have noted yourself, even without the Greens the SNP could operate as a minority government. This will presumably be the case if Forbes or Regan are elected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration? In that scenario, there's no FM. Not quite. It's vanishingly unlikely that parliament would fail to elect an FM. A candidate simply has to have a simple majority of votes cast. Abstentions don't count. In the event of more than two candidates running and nobody getting a majority the candidate with the least votes would drop out. To stop the leader of the SNP becoming FM all opposition parties would need to actively endorse another candidate or SNP members would need to vote for that other candidate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Well, it would lead to one if it means they (the Greens) will not supply the votes to pass the elected person as FM. My understanding is that Harvie has said they will jettison the current agreement between the two over ministerial posts if anyone other than Yousaf is elected. Whether they will then also refuse to provide votes to make the new SNP leader FM might be another matter but why would it be "ok" to vote for them to be FM but "not ok" to hold ministerial posts in their administration? In that scenario, there's no FM. If it turns out it is "ok" to vote for them to be FM, even though it's not "ok" to hold ministerial briefs in their Govt, then perhaps the SNP could govern as a minority but would they be able to actually do anything (given that rancour is at an all-time high, so it likely wouldn't work out like in the 2007-2011 period where they did this)? More confirmation that the new leader of the Scottish Government needs to get the Scottish Greens into the sea. The tail is attempting to wag the dog here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Assuming no other candidate throws a hat in it's likely it will be Humza's for the taking. The Cherryites seem to have given up on getting their natural support base a vote. From a week ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Lyle Lanley said: We need more monorail’s in this country. They are the future. City of Edinburgh Council will be in touch as soon as they are done with the trams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 42 minutes ago, Trogdor said: More confirmation that the new leader of the Scottish Government needs to get the Scottish Greens into the sea. The tail is attempting to wag the dog here. Based on an entirely fictitious set of events that aren't actually happening? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 bit boring today whens Yousaf going to speak next, he should be good for a laugh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Genuinely feel thats it, thats indy over for a long time now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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