The_Kincardine Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 Just now, GTee said: Folk losing their minds over a country's self governance is hilarious. Westminster rule for us isnt great. Nothing much will change. Britain IS self-governing. The spat is about it being partitioned. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Britain IS self-governing. The spat is about it being partitioned. “Britain” can’t complain about being partitioned as long as it’s a partitionist state. Edited March 19, 2023 by Antlion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: 1. The withdrawal of the £20-odd billion Barnett bonus. 2. The multi-billion cost of setting up a new state. Those are just the immediate and tangible losses. There's a reason why - for over 20 years - the Nats have failed to provide an economic case for iJock. This is because it looks like shite and they prefer to kid you on. FFS... 1. There is no 20-odd billion Barnett bonus. The Barnett formula provides return based on a population based share of the money Scots tax payers have already paid Westminster to invest on projects (unsurprisingly mainly in and around London and the South East). We DO NOT receive back any of the associated multiplied effect economic (and therefore revenue) growth inspired by our share of that initial investment. That economic growth is often very much localised in the area the investment is made. Subsequent revenue raised is assigned to that particular region. As the term "multiplier" would suggest the revenue raised is often multiples of the initial spend. We give a broker money to invest in a stock. The stock price rises (sometimes by multiples). The broker gives us back our initial investment and keeps the profit. The broker then claims we owe him money. Sorry to dent your Daily Express reader levels of comprehension with regards to the workings of the public economy.........but the rest of the UK...and very much so Scotland........are subsidising London and the South East. 2. It might have been a while since you last visited, but Scotland is actually quite a developed nation now with much of the infrastructure and agency required by a sovereign state. Any initial costs will likely be massively dwarfed by future savings. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 I wonder how soon the SNP will sort out the tremendous mess. The Party with their Green Party allies should not allow the Scottish Government to descend into chaos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 5 hours ago, ICTChris said: How much of a tax increase would it take to persuade people to leave Scotland for England? I am actually one of those people who pay more tax now and I also work in a team that’s based in England and Scotland so if I really wanted to I could relocate pretty easily. I can’t be arsed though. Seems like a bother. If I was going to relocate like that I’d move to the US or Canada where people doing jobs like mine tend to earn far larger salaries. Comparatively poor pay for professional jobs is a strange feature of the British economy that people don’t seem to cotton on to. Ideally we just ask Roddy Dunlop how much it would take for him to leave then do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Gincardine clearly struggling with his first mothers day without Auld Lizzie. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTee Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 It's self governance. Nothing is really changing much. What's the problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 7 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: FFS... 1. There is no 20-odd billion Barnett bonus. The Barnett formula provides return based on a population based share of the money Scots tax payers have already paid Westminster to invest on projects (unsurprisingly mainly in and around London and the South East). We DO NOT receive back any of the associated multiplied effect economic (and therefore revenue) growth inspired by our share of that initial investment. That economic growth is often very much localised in the area the investment is made. Subsequent revenue raised is assigned to that particular region. As the term "multiplier" would suggest the revenue raised is often multiples of the initial spend. We give a broker money to invest in a stock. The stock price rises (sometimes by multiples). The broker gives us back our initial investment and keeps the profit. The broker then claims we owe him money. Sorry to dent your Daily Express reader levels of comprehension with regards to the workings of the public economy.........but the rest of the UK...and very much so Scotland........are subsidising London and the South East. 2. It might have been a while since you last visited, but Scotland is actually quite a developed nation now with much of the infrastructure and agency required by a sovereign state. Any initial costs will likely be massively dwarfed by future savings. All very good, but you realise you're trying to seriously debate with a bigoted troll, right? Just laugh at the utter nick, rip the pish and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 On 19/02/2023 at 21:46, Londonwell said: Kate Forbes would be an absolute disaster. Has Kate already been elected? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Since the voting began there have been a few significant developments occur that could have an impact on the outcome. How this contest continues as normal without intervention is bizarre 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 was listening to Radio Scotland there, someone for the Common Weal forgotten there name, quite damming on the SNP and its leadership and the lack of transparency 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Interesting to see how correct Campbell of WOS has been regarding the SNP. He’s banged on for years about the missing £600k with forensic analysis of their Accounts, he’s questioned the number of party members and he’s been on relentlessly about the shenanigans within the Sturgeon cabal. I know he’s a bit iffy but his journalism is spot on. Just a pity the Scottish media has been asleep at the wheel. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wingman said: Interesting to see how correct Campbell of WOS has been regarding the SNP. He’s banged on for years about the missing £600k with forensic analysis of their Accounts, he’s questioned the number of party members and he’s been on relentlessly about the shenanigans within the Sturgeon cabal. I know he’s a bit iffy but his journalism is spot on. Just a pity the Scottish media has been asleep at the wheel. Hiya Rev, hiya pal! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Hiya Rev, hiya pal! Username: Wingman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Whatever happened to Dawson Park Boy? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said: was listening to Radio Scotland there, someone for the Common Weal forgotten there name, quite damming on the SNP and its leadership and the lack of transparency It'll be Robin McAlpine. He fucking despises Sturgeon. daily reminder that if someone looks like a Tory and quacks like a Tory... Edited March 20, 2023 by renton 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, AyrExile said: Since the voting began there have been a few significant developments occur that could have an impact on the outcome. How this contest continues as normal without intervention is bizarre Like what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, renton said: Like what? Well...then...and... That should keep you going for a wee while... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 48 minutes ago, Wingman said: Interesting to see how correct Campbell of WOS has been regarding the SNP. He’s banged on for years about the missing £600k with forensic analysis of their Accounts, he’s questioned the number of party members and he’s been on relentlessly about the shenanigans within the Sturgeon cabal. I know he’s a bit iffy but his journalism is spot on. Just a pity the Scottish media has been asleep at the wheel. He's not "iffy", he's a creepy wee homophobic, transphobic bigot whose weirdo opinions can be safely launched into the nearest bin. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 20, 2023 Share Posted March 20, 2023 Do you think theres anything else is going to come out in the next few weeks/months in regards the SNP? There just seems a certain distancing going on suddenly and you wonder is that just related to whats already happened or is there more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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