Nicola Sturgeon Arrested, Peter Murrell Charged

[ScotiaNostra]

Is there anyone left to arrest? Id think thats it now as thats everyone whos signed off the books. Whats the next step if anything?

[BFTD]

4 minutes ago, ScotiaNostra said:

Is there anyone left to arrest? Id think thats it now as thats everyone whos signed off the books. Whats the next step if anything?

We still don't know what the polis found in their garden; they may yet catch up with @WaffenThinMint.

[Jeff Venom]

2 hours ago, Lex said:

Yeah no surprise that Oor Nic has been taken to the jail, poor lass. A wee night in the cells might do her some good, reflect on where it all went wrong. 
Did she manage to get rid of all the evidence before they raided her house? We’ll soon find out.

Least she passed her theory test first. 

Really normal stuff this. 

[strichener]

1 minute ago, Jeff Venom said:

Really normal stuff this. 

There is absolutely nothing normal about the ex-FM being arrested by police investigating the party for financial wrongdoing while she led the party and her husband was the chief exec.  We really do need the **nothing to see here** meme but with the wording changed to "I cannot recall"

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

If only there was a way to know this would happen.

[Jeff Venom]

1 minute ago, strichener said:

There is absolutely nothing normal about the ex-FM being arrested by police investigating the party for financial wrongdoing while she led the party and her husband was the chief exec.  We really do need the **nothing to see here** meme but with the wording changed to "I cannot recall"

They're building a case and she was interviewed and released. Yes, it's f'd up and disappointing that the ex-FM is potentially corrupt. 

However, wanting people jailed to "reflect on where it all went wrong" based on nothing other than a dislike of that politician is pretty fashy. 

[RuMoore]

34 minutes ago, BTFD said:

Everyone seemed to assume she'd be brought in for questioning once her husband was, whether they were pleased by the idea or not. The only surprise is that it's taken this long to actually happen..

Yeah that's what I thought would happen too but I did see a fair amount of people, maybe not on here, acting like the idea this would happen was some made up Yoon fantasy. 

I'd imagine we'll not hear anything either way for a month or so... 

 

 

[Zern]

7 minutes ago, strichener said:

There is absolutely nothing normal about the ex-FM being arrested by police investigating the...

She's the 2nd. Alex was something of trailblazer in that regard too.

[Jeff Venom]

Just now, RuMoore said:

Yeah that's what I thought would happen too but I did see a fair amount of people, maybe not on here, acting like the idea this would happen was some made up Yoon fantasy. 

I'd imagine we'll not hear anything either way for a month or so... 

 

 

It's almost as if fraud cases are complex. 

[strichener]

3 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said:

They're building a case and she was interviewed and released. Yes, it's f'd up and disappointing that the ex-FM is potentially corrupt. 

However, wanting people jailed to "reflect on where it all went wrong" based on nothing other than a dislike of that politician is pretty fashy. 

There were folks wanting Boris in jail for having a drink during Covid.  This is politics, it isn't about disliking the politician but their party.

[strichener]

2 minutes ago, Zern said:

She's the 2nd. Alex was something of trailblazer in that regard too.

I think you may find that there is a common piece in both instances and it isn't Alex

[Zern]

Just now, strichener said:

I think you may find that there is a common piece in both instances and it isn't Alex

I see it as a last gasp. The ex-FM was under the most exquisite scrutiny throughout her career and has published her taxes and answered to all her detractors in detail.

She is arguably the least likely candidate for suspicion. Backed up by her more dignified questioning. I suspect that when it comes out we will see a collection of wild accusations that bear no relation to the actual accounts and facts supplied by the SNP3.

Bonus points if there is mention of satanic rituals. 

[Jeff Venom]

3 minutes ago, strichener said:

There were folks wanting Boris in jail for having a drink during Covid.  This is politics, it isn't about disliking the politician but their party.

Wanting people jailed for their party political differences, it's the same thing. If Lex was wanting Boris jailed back then for nothing other than the colour of rosette too then at least he's consistent. 

[lichtgilphead]

44 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

I don't think anybody is surprised she's been released without charge at this point. The surprise was she actually got arrested in the first place or were you already certain that would happen? 

In Scotland, suspects will be released without charge unless a) the police believe that a crime has been committed and b) that the suspect has committed said crime. As Nicola has been released, this means that the police do not think that they can prove both of these elements. If the arresting officer believes that both elements can be proved from the evidence he holds, he should cease questioning and charge the suspect immediately.

Accordingly, whilst they may still have suspicions, Police Scotland do not currently believe that Murrell, Beattie or Sturgeon have committed any offences. Look up the difference between suspicion and belief.

In addition, given that this is exactly what happened after the first two arrests, it was a pretty predictable pattern.

[alta-pete]

12 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

In Scotland, suspects will be released without charge unless a) the police believe that a crime has been committed and b) that the suspect has committed said crime. As Nicola has been released, this means that the police do not think that they can prove both of these elements. If the arresting officer believes that both elements can be proved from the evidence he holds, he should cease questioning and charge the suspect immediately.

Accordingly, whilst they may still have suspicions, Police Scotland do not currently believe that Murrell, Beattie or Sturgeon have committed any offences. Look up the difference between suspicion and belief.

In addition, given that this is exactly what happened after the first two arrests, it was a pretty predictable pattern.

So why are they wasting their time submitting reports to the PFs office then? 

[RuMoore]

26 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said:

It's almost as if fraud cases are complex. 

Of course, what I was getting at really. 

15 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said:

In Scotland, suspects will be released without charge unless a) the police believe that a crime has been committed and b) that the suspect has committed said crime. As Nicola has been released, this means that the police do not think that they can prove both of these elements. If the arresting officer believes that both elements can be proved from the evidence he holds, he should cease questioning and charge the suspect immediately.

Accordingly, whilst they may still have suspicions, Police Scotland do not currently believe that Murrell, Beattie or Sturgeon have committed any offences. Look up the difference between suspicion and belief.

In addition, given that this is exactly what happened after the first two arrests, it was a pretty predictable pattern.

You may be a lot more informed that myself but my understanding was that at this point they essentially need to compile their evidence after speaking to all the accused and then send it to the PF to see if there are grounds to charge. 

Releasing her doesn't mean they don't have evidence or enough grounds to charge in the medium term it just means they're not ready to go for the charges as it stands. I also could be wrong but I believe that process for crimes like this would take a while. It would have been pretty crazy if she was charged after that first arrest. 

@Inanimate Carbon Rod might be able to clear it up? 

[Trogdor]

Definitely not nothing to see here. I am always surprised by the sins people will turn a blind eye to because someone is on their side. Until they are not!

Even if you believe based on what you have heard that criminality is a high bar to pass, like I do. There are still some pretty damning governance issues.

The manner in which the party was run was morally wrong. The paying members were ignored and sidetracked. Anyone who chose to question was blacklisted. Committees weren't allowed to function. Those that did function had pro leadership persons co-opted onto them so the leadership maintained a majority. The constitution was routinely ignored and a castrophically bald man was allowed to do what he liked with party funds culminating in purchasing a fucking motorhome for £100k that has never turned a wheel. 

None of that suggests to me that these are the people you'd want running the country. 

Ultimately, NS was a good campaigner and great in front of the media. However, she was dreadful at policy and governing. She's left the cause and party in a worse state than when she inherited it. That was unimaginable a year ago.

There also could be more to this wrt. criminality. As I said, I'm not sure there is but it's certainly not all fine. It's also not a yoon establishment/MI5 conspiracy. That's tin foil hat material.

The wheels of justice are working as they aught to. Something we should all be happy about.

[RuMoore]

33 minutes ago, strichener said:

There were folks wanting Boris in jail for having a drink during Covid.  This is politics, it isn't about disliking the politician but their party.

That's one way of viewing him receiving a FPN for breaking the rules the dopey c**t put in place. 

Not aiming this part at yourself but some of the people trying to give Boris plus points for not actually getting arrested are terminally online. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

10 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

Of course, what I was getting at really. 

You may be a lot more informed that myself but my understanding was that at this point they essentially need to compile their evidence after speaking to all the accused and then send it to the PF to see if there are grounds to charge. 

Releasing her doesn't mean they don't have evidence or enough grounds to charge in the medium term it just means they're not ready to go for the charges as it stands. I also could be wrong but I believe that process for crimes like this would take a while. It would have been pretty crazy if she was charged after that first arrest. 

@Inanimate Carbon Rod might be able to clear it up? 

Honestly, ive no idea about the case, had absolutely no involvement and as theres contempt of court implications its better I dont post anything about this now. Totally happy to chat about stuff in most circumstances but dont want to get the jail here. Investigations like that are highly specialised and complicated. 

[lichtgilphead]

6 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

So why are they wasting their time submitting reports to the PFs office then? 

 

Perhaps they are asking the PF to determine whether a crime has been committed? As I said, the arresting officer should charge a suspect immediately if he comes to the belief that an offence has been committed by the person he is questioning. As I suggested to RuMoore, look up the difference between suspicion & belief.

1 minute ago, RuMoore said:

Of course, what I was getting at really. 

You may be a lot more informed that myself but my understanding was that at this point they essentially need to compile their evidence after 1) speaking to all the accused and then 2) send it to the PF to see if there are grounds to charge. 

Releasing her doesn't mean they don't have evidence or 3)enough grounds to charge in the medium term it just means they're not ready to go for the charges as it stands. I also could be wrong but I believe that process for crimes like this would take a while. It would have been pretty crazy if she was charged after that first arrest. 

@Inanimate Carbon Rod might be able to clear it up? 

1) Another oddity about this case. Normally, suspects are arrested together & interviewed seperately. Incidentally, at this time, all 3 people that have been questioned are suspects, not "the accused"

2) The charge is usually put to the accused long before a report is made to the Fiscal. The report will include any statement made in response to the charge.

3) If Police Scotland have enough grounds to charge, they should do so immediately.