Celebrity hypocisy thread

[ICTChris]

I saw this today - it's a statement by Louie Duffy, son of Primal Scream keyboardist Martin Duffy, given to the coroners enquiry into his fathers death.  Martin Duffy died in an accident at home in December 2022 - the very sad details are in the statement by Louie.  

http://www.dafts.co.uk/louieduffystatement.pdf

The statement goes into how Martin was treated by Primal Scream, how he was paid as a session musician rather than a member of the band, despite being a member of the group for decades, how the band effectively sacked him for being drunk, how they cut him out of a huge publishing deal for their music (that's why you keep hearing Sceam songs on adverts).  As Louie points out, this is at odds with Bobby Gillespie's professed beliefs - he has often spoken about socialism, about support for workers etc.  This seems at odds with the way he has treated his own friend and bandmate, his "soul brother" as professed in his statement.  The fact they sacked him for being a bit pissed is extremely ironic as well, given that Primal Scream have been known for excess and hedonism and played off this reputation.  Before she died Denise Johnson, the singer on Screamadelica and Give Out But Don't Give Up spoke about being treated poorly by Primal Scream - they blocked her selling t-shirts with her image saying Denisadelica, for example.

What other example of celebrity hypocrisy can P&Bers think of?

[pozbaird]

Want me to get started on professional golf in 2021 - present? No, neither do I.

[Michael W]

It feels like most of these will involve money. 

See Gary Neville and the Qatar World Cup, for example. 

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

Tbh I tend to often find people who profess to be massively left wing are  huge hypocrites. More about image than anything of actual substance.

[RuMoore]

Got rich from exploiting disadvantaged people and their social situations whilst in the background getting involved in infidelity, addictions and debt. 

[bobbydazzler]

5 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

Got rich from exploiting disadvantaged people and their social situations whilst in the background getting involved in infidelity, addictions and debt. 

and incredibly wanky guy

[pozbaird]

This type of example never gets old…

 

[scottsdad]

Numerous celebrities claiming to care about climate change, whilst using private jets to get around the globe and gas guzzlers to drive about. 

Leonardo DiCaprio, Harry and Meghan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and many others. 

[CarrbridgeSaintee]

25 minutes ago, RuMoore said:

Got rich from exploiting disadvantaged people and their social situations whilst in the background getting involved in infidelity, addictions and debt. 

Yep, his actions were not just deplorable but hypocritical in the extreme.

Human bear baiting.

[Michael W]

19 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

Numerous celebrities claiming to care about climate change, whilst using private jets to get around the globe and gas guzzlers to drive about. 

Leonardo DiCaprio, Harry and Meghan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and many others. 

Lewis Hamilton. 

Preaches about veganism and the climate, whilst flying all over the world, probably with a lot of private flying, to drive a car around a circuit. 

He's absolutely loaded as well, so doesn't need to be doing it to make a living. 

[fuzzydunlop]

50 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I saw this today - it's a statement by Louie Duffy, son of Primal Scream keyboardist Martin Duffy, given to the coroners enquiry into his fathers death.  Martin Duffy died in an accident at home in December 2022 - the very sad details are in the statement by Louie.  

http://www.dafts.co.uk/louieduffystatement.pdf

The statement goes into how Martin was treated by Primal Scream, how he was paid as a session musician rather than a member of the band, despite being a member of the group for decades, how the band effectively sacked him for being drunk, how they cut him out of a huge publishing deal for their music (that's why you keep hearing Sceam songs on adverts).  As Louie points out, this is at odds with Bobby Gillespie's professed beliefs - he has often spoken about socialism, about support for workers etc.  This seems at odds with the way he has treated his own friend and bandmate, his "soul brother" as professed in his statement.  The fact they sacked him for being a bit pissed is extremely ironic as well, given that Primal Scream have been known for excess and hedonism and played off this reputation.  Before she died Denise Johnson, the singer on Screamadelica and Give Out But Don't Give Up spoke about being treated poorly by Primal Scream - they blocked her selling t-shirts with her image saying Denisadelica, for example.

What other example of celebrity hypocrisy can P&Bers think of?

I was..and still am I guess..a massive Primal Scream fan.   I used to get pelters about how much a dick Gillespie was but I always thought he was alright and defended him.  In all honesty, due to a lot of his interviews, he got me into so many older bands/artists when I was younger than I probably wouldn't have heard at the time....so for that i probably held him in a higher regard than I should have.   

Even read Gillespie's book recently and found it interesting -especially tales of growing up in Glasgow through the 60s/70s/80s.

However, as I've got older I hear/read stuff about Denise and now with the statement from Duffys son its too much to ignore.   

I understand if the band is your work and someone is getting p*shed and not performing - that its a concern.   Not sure if he's still off the wagon but Gillespie wasnt drinking/taking drugs a while back so again if someone is in a band with you who is letting the side down it kinda doesn't matter how much you were f*cked up in the past,  I can see why Gillespie didn't want to be around that.

But its obvious Duffy had issues and the decent thing would have been to get him help or even give him his share of money and then give him time off touring to try sort himself out.  To just cut him off considering everything is pure c*nty behaiour and judging by the backlash on social media Gillespie and Innes(who I actually used to think more highly of than BG) are getting what they deserve.

 

[Derry Alli]

27 minutes ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said:

Human bear baiting.

Happens all the time on here. Look at any Celtic or Rangers topics.

[Hillonearth]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

I saw this today - it's a statement by Louie Duffy, son of Primal Scream keyboardist Martin Duffy, given to the coroners enquiry into his fathers death.  Martin Duffy died in an accident at home in December 2022 - the very sad details are in the statement by Louie.  

http://www.dafts.co.uk/louieduffystatement.pdf

The statement goes into how Martin was treated by Primal Scream, how he was paid as a session musician rather than a member of the band, despite being a member of the group for decades, how the band effectively sacked him for being drunk, how they cut him out of a huge publishing deal for their music (that's why you keep hearing Sceam songs on adverts).  As Louie points out, this is at odds with Bobby Gillespie's professed beliefs - he has often spoken about socialism, about support for workers etc.  This seems at odds with the way he has treated his own friend and bandmate, his "soul brother" as professed in his statement.  The fact they sacked him for being a bit pissed is extremely ironic as well, given that Primal Scream have been known for excess and hedonism and played off this reputation.  Before she died Denise Johnson, the singer on Screamadelica and Give Out But Don't Give Up spoke about being treated poorly by Primal Scream - they blocked her selling t-shirts with her image saying Denisadelica, for example.

What other example of celebrity hypocrisy can P&Bers think of?

In this instance it's probably been made to sound way worse than it probably actually was...it's almost unheard of for a non-original member of a successful band to be brought in as a full partner, and much more likely for them to be a salaried employee. Sometimes it can be beneficial as you'll still be paid as per your contract even though the band as a whole's career is in the shitter. It can sometimes happen that they become a full partner in the fullness of time, but the likes of Ron Wood spent 20+ years as an employee of the Stones before he was made a partner sometime in the mid-90s.

In terms of the publishing deal, that would always be heavily weighted in favour of the people who actually wrote the songs, and a non-writer would normally only be due mechanical royalities for performing on the tracks. Since your man didn't seem to contribute writing-wise, that's all he'd have been due and he likely wouldn't have a voice in discussions about exploiting their back catalogue, far less due a cut of the proceeds other than what he'd be due automatically.

[scottsdad]

10 minutes ago, Hillonearth said:

In this instance it's probably been made to sound way worse than it probably actually was...it's almost unheard of for a non-original member of a successful band to be brought in as a full partner, and much more likely for them to be a salaried employee. Sometimes it can be beneficial as you'll still be paid as per your contract even though the band as a whole's career is in the shitter. It can sometimes happen that they become a full partner in the fullness of time, but the likes of Ron Wood spent 20+ years as an employee of the Stones before he was made a partner sometime in the mid-90s.

In terms of the publishing deal, that would always be heavily weighted in favour of the people who actually wrote the songs, and a non-writer would normally only be due mechanical royalities for performing on the tracks. Since your man didn't seem to contribute writing-wise, that's all he'd have been due and he likely wouldn't have a voice in discussions about exploiting their back catalogue, far less due a cut of the proceeds other than what he'd be due automatically.

I read Don Felder's autobiography which went into big detail on his time as one of the Eagles. Started as a session musician, they then formed a company that split the money 5 ways including him. He was a full member. This was in the mid-70s.They did this a couple more times as folk left and joined. 

When they re-formed in the 90s, they formed another new company that gave more money to Glenn Frey and Don Henley (as they were the famous ones, the songwriters and had had solo careers) and less to Felder, Timothy Schmidt and Joe Walsh. Felder was told to take it or leave it, and he took it. Made huge amounts of cash but felt it was unfair. Kept complaining that the money wasn't being split evenly, and in 2001 they sacked him from the band. 

It's an excellent read, his book. @WhiteRoseKillie recommended it to me, if I remember correctly. 

Back on topic, Felder admitted that in the 70s he was shagging about behind his wife's back whilst she stayed at home and raised the kids. Then, when his career hit the skids and she was becoming successful in hers, and she cheated on him once, he left her. 

[Shipa]

1 hour ago, Derry Alli said:

Happens all the time on here. Look at any Celtic or Rangers topics.

Teddy bear baiting, surely?

[Hillonearth]

6 minutes ago, scottsdad said:

I read Don Felder's autobiography which went into big detail on his time as one of the Eagles. Started as a session musician, they then formed a company that split the money 5 ways including him. He was a full member. This was in the mid-70s.They did this a couple more times as folk left and joined. 

When they re-formed in the 90s, they formed another new company that gave more money to Glenn Frey and Don Henley (as they were the famous ones, the songwriters and had had solo careers) and less to Felder, Timothy Schmidt and Joe Walsh. Felder was told to take it or leave it, and he took it. Made huge amounts of cash but felt it was unfair. Kept complaining that the money wasn't being split evenly, and in 2001 they sacked him from the band. 

It's an excellent read, his book. @WhiteRoseKillie recommended it to me, if I remember correctly. 

Back on topic, Felder admitted that in the 70s he was shagging about behind his wife's back whilst she stayed at home and raised the kids. Then, when his career hit the skids and she was becoming successful in hers, and she cheated on him once, he left her. 

Yeah, it's almost inevitable that the power base of any band will rest with the primary songwriters. Since Gene Simmons of Kiss was in the news yesterday for showing up at PMQs, they're also a good example; their lead guitarist and drummer left at the start of the 80s and Simmons and Paul Stanley carried on with a succesion of replacements. When they reformed in the mid-90s, the original two were brought back in as salaried employees rather than partners, and when they left again they brought in two journeymen to basically impersonate them for even less money.

[scottsdad]

Just now, Hillonearth said:

Yeah, it's almost inevitable that the power base of any band will rest with the primary songwriters. Since Gene Simmons of Kiss was in the news yesterday for showing up at PMQs, they're also a good example; their lead guitarist and drummer left at the start of the 80s and Simmons and Paul Stanley carried on with a succesion of replacements. When they reformed in the mid-90s, the original two were brought back in as salaried employees rather than partners, and when they left again they brought in two journeymen to basically impersonate them for even less money.

Rick Wright at Pink Floyd is a fun example. He fell out with Roger Waters when making The Wall, and Waters sacked him from the band. But, they needed him for the tour so brought him back as a salaried employee on. He was the only one to make any money as the tour made a loss and Waters (and the other remaining members) earned nothing. 

[scw1987]

On the other side of the scale you get the likes of Paul Heaton.  Well, you get Paul Heaton.  Shares out all the income equally to all band members, leaves money behind bars for fans to have a drink on him and keeps ticket prices at sensible levels.

[Derry Alli]

16 minutes ago, Shipa said:

Teddy bear baiting, surely?

Are you wanting a cuddle?

[10menwent2mow]

I read this somewhere this morning. 

I have 1,000 mars bars in my fridge. My mate has 1. I persuade him to give his to a homeless person. This is how celebrity charity appeals work. 

Pretty much sums it up for me.