Mr. Brightside Posted Sunday at 22:51 Share Posted Sunday at 22:51 (edited) Harris is also alienating Muslims and people who are not fond of genocide by enthusiastically backing Israel. Utterly vile. Edited Sunday at 22:52 by Mr. Brightside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted Sunday at 22:52 Share Posted Sunday at 22:52 Just now, TxRover said: In with the kiddo's first vote too...tomorrow as well. My 19yo is at Tech in Lubbock TX, we’re just west of Houston. He says he doesn’t want to vote. I’m not particularly happy about it, but its not my call. Visions of Trump winning Texas by one vote . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted Sunday at 23:27 Share Posted Sunday at 23:27 35 minutes ago, bigmarv said: My 19yo is at Tech in Lubbock TX, we’re just west of Houston. He says he doesn’t want to vote. I’m not particularly happy about it, but its not my call. Visions of Trump winning Texas by one vote . That'll be the day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted Monday at 05:27 Share Posted Monday at 05:27 (edited) If Trump wins im going offline, the news is bad enough as it is. It will be brutal after that Edited Monday at 05:27 by ScotiaNostra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted Monday at 07:58 Share Posted Monday at 07:58 9 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: Harris is also alienating Muslims and people who are not fond of genocide by enthusiastically backing Israel. Utterly vile. Whilst I agree the alternative is "let them finish the job " trump ,it's a lose lose election for them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted Monday at 09:27 Share Posted Monday at 09:27 14 hours ago, carpetmonster said: The pollsters have an interest in portraying the election as being on a knife edge. That's never been the case before so why now? Pollsters have an interest in being accurate so that they can say to potential clients after the election "we're better than our competitors." They also have an interest in not being too far away from the other pollsters because there's safety in numbers - if you're wrong, it's not so bad if everyone else was wrong too. But if you're an outlier you won't be trusted in future. American pollsters are different from UK pollsters because quite a few of them only do political polling. For UK pollsters, political polling is a tiny proportion of their work and the bulk of it is commercial market research, so they have a stronger incentive to be accurate. Also, American polling is weaker than UK polling because they often have smaller sample sizes, as little as 700-800, and many don't publish full raw tables. You have to publish tables to be a member of the British Polling Council and you'll never see a sample under 1,000 (unless it's something exceptional like a single constituency poll). The main reason for the recent movement in predictions and betting is because of one poll showing Trump 3 points ahead in Pennsylvania. It was a decent-looking poll with a big sample so it has to be taken seriously. Further polls will be needed to see if it's a pattern. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted Monday at 09:28 Share Posted Monday at 09:28 10 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: Harris is also alienating Muslims and people who are not fond of genocide by enthusiastically backing Israel. Utterly vile. There are adverts playing to Muslims that Harris is pro Israel and that her Jewish husband is one of her closest advisors. There are also adverts playing to Jews that Harris is pro Palestine/supports Hamas and that she doesn't think Israel should be bombing Gaza. Both are funded by Elon Musk's Trump supporting PAC. A Trump win would be worse for everyone in the middle east, Arabs and Muslims in particular. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted Monday at 10:14 Share Posted Monday at 10:14 What is it about the peadophile, rapist, lying, racist, cowardly, senile and astonishingly stupid Trump that some posters on here like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted Monday at 10:27 Share Posted Monday at 10:27 48 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: A Trump win would be worse for everyone in the middle east, Arabs and Muslims in particular. You hear this a lot from Biden and Harris apologists but they never go into detail about how things could possibly be any worse than they currently are for the people of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. People in Gaza are currently being murdered on a scale not seen before in this genocidal conflict that has been carried out by Israel since 1948, being starved to death and we are seeing the emergence of countless diseases because healthcare and sanitation infrastructure are being targeted by Israel, so no I don’t think that a Harris win instead of a Trump win will be anything for them to celebrate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted Monday at 10:36 Share Posted Monday at 10:36 5 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: You hear this a lot from Biden and Harris apologists but they never go into detail about how things could possibly be any worse than they currently are for the people of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. People in Gaza are currently being murdered on a scale not seen before in this genocidal conflict that has been carried out by Israel since 1948, being starved to death and we are seeing the emergence of countless diseases because healthcare and sanitation infrastructure are being targeted by Israel, so no I don’t think that a Harris win instead of a Trump win will be anything for them to celebrate. Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, is very pro Israel, is very anti Muslim (Muslim ban on entering the US anyone?) and has said that Israel "needs to just get the job done". It's also been alleged that he has been asking Bibi to pull out of negotiations about hostage releases until after November so that he (Trump) looks good. They aren't going to be jumping up and down celebrating a Trump win in Ramalah, Beirut or Cairo... but they will in Tel Aviv. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted Monday at 11:29 Share Posted Monday at 11:29 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted Monday at 11:43 Share Posted Monday at 11:43 12 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: Harris is also alienating Muslims and people who are not fond of genocide by enthusiastically backing Israel. Utterly vile. Blanket support of Israel is one of the few bipartisan issues left in the US. Should those living in swing states who support the cause of Palestinians just sit this election out and risk the “finish the job” / “muslim ban” / “my pal Bibi” bloke winning their state because of it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted Monday at 11:58 Share Posted Monday at 11:58 14 minutes ago, bigmarv said: Blanket support of Israel is one of the few bipartisan issues left in the US. Should those living in swing states who support the cause of Palestinians just sit this election out and risk the “finish the job” / “muslim ban” / “my pal Bibi” bloke winning their state because of it? Should they just hold their nose and vote for someone who is also encouraging genocide? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted Monday at 12:04 Share Posted Monday at 12:04 4 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Should they just hold their nose and vote for someone who is also encouraging genocide? I would. It should be clear what the lesser of two evils is from their perspective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted Monday at 12:08 Share Posted Monday at 12:08 Vote for the candidates that facilitate the genocide with a sad face and not the ones that do it with a happy face. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted Monday at 12:20 Share Posted Monday at 12:20 1 hour ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, is very pro Israel, is very anti Muslim (Muslim ban on entering the US anyone?) and has said that Israel "needs to just get the job done". It's also been alleged that he has been asking Bibi to pull out of negotiations about hostage releases until after November so that he (Trump) looks good. They aren't going to be jumping up and down celebrating a Trump win in Ramalah, Beirut or Cairo... but they will in Tel Aviv. That's mostly talk though. Things like moving the embassy are symbolic but don't affect the lives of Palestinians or the Lebanese. In terms of providing cash, weaponry, intelligence, training and diplomatic cover, there is no difference between Biden's administration and Trump's before it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted Monday at 12:27 Share Posted Monday at 12:27 Stop giving people an out for their decisions. Around half of eligible Americans don't even bother voting at all. Many of those voting for either candidate will have not bothered their arse at some point in the past; if they genuinely thought both were different shades of awful, and couldn't bring themselves to vote for someone who wouldn't win this time, they wouldn't vote at all. The overwhelming reason for voting Trump appears to be that he'll get them, whoever they are to that individual voter, and he's wildly popular for that despite being an overt fascist. The primary reason for voting Biden, and now Harris, is that they aren't Trump. Kinda like the election we just had, although that's going to get much worse in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted Monday at 12:29 Share Posted Monday at 12:29 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Wee-Bey said: Vote for the candidates that facilitate the genocide with a sad face and not the ones that do it with a happy face. Which of the two candidates/parties is more likely to help end this “genocide” in a manner that has the Palestinian people’s interests in mind? This assumes the Palestinian interests do not include the complete destruction of Israel and “genocide” of all jewish people who live there Edited Monday at 12:30 by bigmarv -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted Monday at 12:32 Share Posted Monday at 12:32 Unfortunately Trump is going to win. Senile Biden should have resigned six months ago and handed the Presidency to Harris so that she could prove herself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted Monday at 12:41 Share Posted Monday at 12:41 15 minutes ago, GordonS said: That's mostly talk though. Things like moving the embassy are symbolic but don't affect the lives of Palestinians or the Lebanese. In terms of providing cash, weaponry, intelligence, training and diplomatic cover, there is no difference between Biden's administration and Trump's before it. As a military puppet of the USA following the outbreak of the Israel Hamas war on October 2023 the United Kingdom has provided Israel with extensive military and diplomatic support. Ironic really when you consider the UK governments Palestine responsibility in 1920 and then allowed 200,000 Jews to settle there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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