ExiledLichtie Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Plantar fasciitis said: Physical force - check?? Clearly not read the statements or accounts In what way do you disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Plantar fasciitis said: Whatever way you try to dress it up it's still not violence , please read the definition You are correct but we are talking, sexual violence. Please look up that definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Shanner said: I didn't say he could. I was clearly talking about Martindale. Ok, so why would goodwiillie admit to something if in the eyes of the law he has done nothing wrong and he feels he has commited no crime. Afaik he paid the costs after the civil case, the podcast said he went bankrupt and that was the end of it. Only 3 people really know what happened that night so im not going to speculate on something so serious. -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Anyway need to go do horses. So not bowing out of this will be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, allyg1977 said: And it's totally unfair on him has well m8 to be honest there was no case to answer yes she won through a civil court but she has even said she couldn't remember the night clearly so if she comes out now she would have to pay all the money back it's has simple has that The fact that you agree she cannot remember the night clearly means she could not have given consent which is why he was convicted in the Civil court. She hasn't received a penny. On other threads a poster claimed, completely incorrectly, that older posters hadn't got round to a new way of thinking and were generally supporting him, this was utter fucking bullshit. From what you see online it's his own age group that think he's been hard done by. When you have your own female relations, Mother, daughter neice etc. and place them in the situation instead of Denise you'd know where I was coming from. Anything else is a rape apologist stance. Again, I feel so sorry for that lass, she should have a GoFundme page so that we could show support and a GIRFUY to that p***k, and, the other c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just now, F_T_Y said: Ok, so why would goodwiillie admit to something if in the eyes of the law he has done nothing wrong and he feels he has commited no crime. Afaik he paid the costs after the civil case, the podcast said he went bankrupt and that was the end of it. Only 3 people really know what happened that night so im not going to speculate on something so serious. Don't believe he has paid a penny. Most sexual offenders would take to their grave that they believe they did nothing wrong. To be blunt a sexual offence isn't as simple as physically forcing someone to perform sexual intercourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantar fasciitis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said: In what way do you disagree? The fact even her own statement does not quote any force whatsoever. She has stated rape by way of intoxication and not able to remember events, she at no time gave evidence he used force to rape her. he quotes all parties very drunk and he believed she was consenting. If he has knowingly raped her when she was sleeping or so intoxicated that she was even unaware he was in the room then he deserves to be locked up and key thrown away. Unfortunately we will never know the truth beyond reasonable doubt and it has came down to the fact it's her word against his Edited July 23, 2023 by Plantar fasciitis -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pareidolia Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share Posted July 23, 2023 Well isn't this a fun thread. Maybe we need to move away from the semantics of language (particularly around violence and mental health issues - I have strong professional opinions on both but I'm keeping out of this for my own sanity) and just recognise that the guy has been found to be a rapist per civil law definitions. It still doesn't answer the silence from Teams and WoSFL itself (as per my previous reply). Or do they wish for politicians to make their decisions for them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledLichtie Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Plantar fasciitis said: The fact even her own statement does not quote any force whatsoever. She has stated rape by way of intoxication and not able to remember events, she at no time gave evidence he used force to rape her. he quotes all parties very drunk and he believed she was consenting. If he has knowingly raped her when she was sleeping or so intoxicated that she was even unaware he was in the room then he deserves to be locked up and key thrown away. Unfortunately we will never know the true beyond reasonable doubt and it has came down to the fact it's her word against his Sex is a physical act. You haven't read the judgement, have you? Don't answer, I don't want to engage any further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F_T_Y Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 He has played a friendly, highly unlikely he will sign. Will be old news next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Just now, ExiledLichtie said: Sex is a physical act. You haven't read the judgement, have you? Don't answer, I don't want to engage any further. The judgement where one of the most senior legal office holders in the country deemed DG an unreliable witness? Yes. Also this idea that because someone hasnt been held down or tied up that rape somehow isnt a violent act? Honestly they should be made to go to a rape crisis awareness meeting and hear from the brave survivors of these horrible crimes first hand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allyg1977 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said: "pay all the money back" What money? He has even said he sold his house to pay all legal bills so he has paid up -13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantar fasciitis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 I'm not condoning rape in any form , I'm just trying to clarify that violence doesn't have to be present or proved for a rape conviction -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantar fasciitis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) But as per some others on here, I've said my piece on the matter, given the lack of physical evidence only 3 people will know the truth. If he has done it then hell mend him Edited July 23, 2023 by Plantar fasciitis -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantar fasciitis Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 One last thing , has the boy Robertson ever spoken up about it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Loving these middle aged men trying to educate everyone on what sexual violence is, absolutely mental, hard drive checks all round please. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wile E Coyote Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, F_T_Y said: Ok, so why would goodwiillie admit to something if in the eyes of the law he has done nothing wrong and he feels he has commited no crime. Afaik he paid the costs after the civil case, the podcast said he went bankrupt and that was the end of it. Only 3 people really know what happened that night so im not going to speculate on something so serious. In the eyes of the law he is a rapist. A civil court is a court of law. He hasn't paid a penny. He declared bankruptcy to avoid paying her 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophski Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 10 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said: As a father of a young man playing in Div 3. I do not want him to be put in a position where at the end of the game he will be expected to shake this persons hand. From what I can ascertain this person has not accepted any responsibility for his reported actions or offered any remorse to the girl. The WOSFL has a responsibility to all the players and staff of its member clubs to allow them to play in a safe environment. A number of clubs more pertinently have female physios who have a right to expect to work in a comfortable environment. If this person has not taken responsibilities for his actions and not undertaken any counselling then he deserves to be ostracised. As a parent of both boys and girls if this person is still at GU I will be instructing my son not to make himself available to play against GU. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossy87 Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, allyg1977 said: He has even said he sold his house to pay all legal bills so he has paid up The money all went to Legal Aid, the lassie didn't see a penny of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 23, 2023 Share Posted July 23, 2023 Christ. Some amount of wrong uns on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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