Bully Wee Villa Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 I'd have him straight in the team. Forget waiting for the World Cup. He could be the difference between first round exit and a run to the Quarter-Final. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Aye if he likes. Join the Scotland party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 Yeah, I don't see where he'd necessarily fit in the team right now, but if Clarke and Scotland want any sustained success, that is naturally going to involve a bit of evolution of formation and tactics, so there's nothing to say that in a few years from now we won't be side that gets after the opposition by playing two wingers rather than a 3/5 system with wingbacks. Hickey & co are great, but they can all play as proper fullbacks in a 4 as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, velo army said: That's my issue. I'd rather have Christie, a scottish player for whom playing for Scotland is a career highlight and who has been pivotal in getting Scotland to where we are right now, than Barnes, an English player with a tenuous connection to Scotland who is only wanting to play for us to get to play at a tournament. He hasn't done any of the hard work to get us there, so it would leave a sour taste in my mouth if we did bring him in and Christie, for example, was pushed out the team. You have absolutely no way of knowing how Barnes feels about his connection to Scotland. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoP Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: You have absolutely no way of knowing how Barnes feels about his connection to Scotland. No, but I think we can all make a decent educated guess I don’t mind having a certain number of granny qualifiers but I feel if the squad becomes too reliant on it we lose something pretty crucial 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 11 minutes ago, MarkoP said: No, but I think we can all make a decent educated guess I don’t mind having a certain number of granny qualifiers but I feel if the squad becomes too reliant on it we lose something pretty crucial The Scottish rugby team is probably the best it has ever been and half the team are 'granny qualifiers' or equivalent. McTominay has lived his entire life in Lancashire - only thing we'd be losing without him is his goals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, MarkoP said: but I think we can all make a decent educated guess No, we can't. There is nothing "educated" about baseless speculation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 He can join after the Euros finals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Nonsense. If he’s keen he should be in the next squad. Does he start in our current best XI? Not for me. But he’s a very strong bench option at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 What is a Harvey Barnes, what does it do? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, MarkoP said: No, but I think we can all make a decent educated guess I don’t mind having a certain number of granny qualifiers but I feel if the squad becomes too reliant on it we lose something pretty crucial What do we lose? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoP Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, JagsCG said: What do we lose? Identity -9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I kind of agree with MarkoP as I don't want to devalue the idea of our national team by going too far with recruiting English players. There's not an exact formula for knowing who'll be committed and who won't as I'd much rather have a team of Adams or Coopers than Ryan Frasers, so you shouldn't rule players out just because they're not Scottish by birth, but there's got to be something that keeps international football closely tied to the country. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, accies1874 said: I kind of agree with MarkoP as I don't want to devalue the idea of our national team by going too far with recruiting English players. There's not an exact formula for knowing who'll be committed and who won't as I'd much rather have a team of Adams or Coopers than Ryan Frasers, so you shouldn't rule players out just because they're not Scottish by birth, but there's got to be something that keeps international football closely tied to the country. There’s a world of difference between that and what MarkoP is claiming. What identity did we lose by selecting Cooper, Goram, Morrison, Adams, etc? I’ll tell you. Nothing. Not a jot. Graeme Alexander is a case in point. Some would say he had a tenuous (ie grandparent) attachment, but he was as close to being a Tartan Army member in a Scotland kit as you’ll ever get. TL;DR if they’re qualified and good enough, we’ll should take em. edit: my only concern would be players piggybacking on to the successes of “lesser” players who went to all the horrible away games, but that accusation was made against Adams and he’s been happy to turn up. Edited September 10, 2023 by Savage Henry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) Best Scotland team in 40 years, cruising to a major tournament while beating Spain, with multiple Englishmen playing major roles in the starting 11. Quite why anyones still still hung up on where someones born is beyond me. Other nations have been exploiting it for years (France/Algeria and Germany/Turkey as obvious examples), so why shouldnt we? As for the "doesnt know what it means" shite, Ryan Fraser is probably the worst we've had that i can remember for being absolutely half arsed about playing for Scotland and hes from Aberdeen. It all depends on the individual rather than the place they were born. Barnes is a 25yo whos had the mindset to play in the EPL for years and get a move to one of its top teams. Hes obviously been waiting for England and thats fine, hes English, but maybe hes just desperate to play International football and prove himself at that level, and knows Southgate would rather just select the same 23 players for the next 5 years. Edited September 10, 2023 by RandomGuy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: I see you subscribe to the Nigel Farage school of national team selection. If a player is dedicated and good enough, we lose absolutely nothing whether he be Hamish McTavish from the Isle of Mull, or Harvey Barnes from North Dakota. National identity is a very nebulous concept, let alone sporting team eligibility. I think it’s great that these guys - who are very decent players with big clubs - are climbing out of the woodwork to play for Scotland. That’s how appealing Steve Clarke has made the team. Also, was it you posting about how Ché Adam’s was the only player who looked like he couldn’t be bothered? I’m sensing a recurring theme. We have had some duds over the years, application wise Matteo, Commons, Ritchie all signed up and then couldn't be arsed with it after a fashion Hardly Gordon McQueen material But as said we've had plenty of Barry Fergusons and Ryan Frasers too Edited September 10, 2023 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Christ, Tierney for some reason refuses to sing our anthem, for all the effort it would take him First name on the teamsheet They can't all be like Dennis Law unfortunately -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moanin' Cronin Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 hours ago, itzdrk said: What is a Harvey Barnes, what does it do? It’s where you store your Harveys for the winter. Duh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Binos said: Christ, Tierney for some reason refuses to sing our anthem, for all the effort it would take him First name on the teamsheet They can't all be like Dennis Law unfortunately Maybe he just doesn't like being filmed singing. He might be quite self conscious about stuff like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Binos said: Christ, Tierney for some reason refuses to sing our anthem, for all the effort it would take him First name on the teamsheet They can't all be like Dennis Law unfortunately The Law Man never got criticised ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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