Cheese Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 47 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I've no problem with Winter World Cups. World Cups in countries where gay people can be murdered for being gay can f**k right off, though. 18 minutes ago, Donathan said: Both are equally terrible ideas. These 2 things aren't really 'equally terrible' are they ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
printer Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Bring back Sepp Blatter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 49 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Sounds like an absolutely dreadful idea to go alongside the shan 3 team groups. FIFA are a nonsense organisation. The 3 team groups have been binned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The 3 team groups have been binned. 'Today, I feel like a 4 team World Cup Group" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: These 2 things aren't really 'equally terrible' are they ? One of them is morally wrong and the other one ruins the tournament as a spectacle. Both of them should rule countries out of hosting the tournament for me which makes them equally terrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It does look like Germany 24 is going to be the last proper fully accessible competition for fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I'll put my head above the parapet and say this isn't that bad an idea. Iberia+ Morocco is a better connected area for hosting the tournament, and 101 out of 104 matches will be played there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, realmadrid said: It does look like Germany 24 is going to be the last proper fully accessible competition for fans. I don't think the Euro 2028 in the British isles will be much less accessible, tbh. Also, it's only 3 teams out of 48 that will have to go over to South America. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 40 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: If it was up to me I'd play the 2026 World Cup in the spring when it's a better temperature for football. You clearly aren't familiar with Canadian weather 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 We'll need SpaceX to travel to the WC soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, realmadrid said: It does look like Germany 24 is going to be the last proper fully accessible competition for fans. Yup. World cups are becoming cumbersome, continent spanning things now that they are moving to 48 teams. Hopefully you’ll still see the odd euros in a single host country as there are 3 or 4 countries with the infrastructure to host a 24 team tournament on their own. If the Euros gets expanded further then the 2020/1 multi nation format will probably become the norm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 One other majorly awkward aspect of this decision is that it means that (unless FIFA change their rules) the 2038 WC is effectively guaranteed to be the USA again - just 12 years on from their last hosting - as every other continent bar Oceania will have been disqualified from hosting. 2034 - Saudi knocks Asia out 2030 - Europe, Africa & South America out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandmac Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, Donathan said: I don't think the Euro 2028 in the British isles will be much less accessible, tbh. Also, it's only 3 teams out of 48 that will have to go over to South America. Ever used UK public transport? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PSJ.84 said: Fucking nuts, as per. This obsession FIFA and UEFA have of trying to fix things that aren’t broken, or doing something funky really needs to stop. Be that having a competition in various countries/continents or changing the format of the tournaments. Basically there is now a total open season on expanding formats. You've got WC expanding to 48 (and promptly ditching "no more games" pledge), being spread over an entire continent or now over several continents... Euros expanding to 24 and now rumours of 32... Nations Leagues... and similar elsewhere... new 32-team Club World Cup starting in China in 2025... expansion of UEFA club football to 3 tournaments, and from next season 108 clubs playing 10 group games then 5 knockout rounds; etc. 2 hours ago, Newbornbairn said: Climate Change be damned, let's have teams and fans flying all over the place. Nobody will care much of course... but seriously: these organisations actually claim to have 'net zero' targets for next decade IIRC ! 1 hour ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Nah, it's a World Cup, it shouldn't only be hosted at a time that's convenient for European teams. Ironically you're being Euro-centric in assuming it's Euro-centric... Vast majority of players at WC play in leagues with mid-year closed season, and most leagues are such too (including Argentina, Mexico, Australia, India, Indonesia, most of Middle East, almost all of Africa, etc.). Edited October 4, 2023 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 58 minutes ago, Jaggy McJagface said: One other majorly awkward aspect of this decision is that it means that (unless FIFA change their rules) the 2038 WC is effectively guaranteed to be the USA again - just 12 years on from their last hosting - as every other continent bar Oceania will have been disqualified from hosting. 2034 - Saudi knocks Asia out 2030 - Europe, Africa & South America out If world cups spanning 2/3 continents is going to become the norm then FIFA will surely go down to only banning confederations from hosting two world cups in a row (i.e., Europe/Africa/S.America would be eligible again for 2038) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Well, it's shite because it should've gone to Uruguay and chums, and three token matches in those countries is pathetic. I guess they were dropped the hint that Iberia was getting it, so better this than nothing. Didn't FIFA drop the continental rotation thing a while back? Even so, it shouldn't block South America from bidding again in 2034, as they're absolutely not hosting this one at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It's a monumentally shite idea. I would love to think that Spain, Portugal and Morocco was the best bid by a long way and FIFA have put some games in South America for the centenary. However, writing off Europe and South America for 2034 when Saudi are interested all seems very handy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, realmadrid said: It does look like Germany 24 is going to be the last proper fully accessible competition for fans. Euro 2028 won't be too bad. WC 2026 could be decent if FIFA split the groups/road to the final into East/West or North/South - but they won't. Euro 2032 will be the nail in the Euros' coffin, I think, if Spain-Turkey is successful. Bring back the days of one country hosting the tournament, most of the time, rather than once in a blue moon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, BFTD said: Well, it's shite because it should've gone to Uruguay and chums, and three token matches in those countries is pathetic. I guess they were dropped the hint that Iberia was getting it, so better this than nothing. Didn't FIFA drop the continental rotation thing a while back? Even so, it shouldn't block South America from bidding again in 2034, as they're absolutely not hosting this one at all. They dropped the strict rotation, but you still aren’t allowed to bid for a WC if your continent has hosted/is hosting either of the previous two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: Euro 2028 won't be too bad. WC 2026 could be decent if FIFA split the groups/road to the final into East/West or North/South - but they won't. Euro 2032 will be the nail in the Euros' coffin, I think, if Spain-Turkey is successful. Bring back the days of one country hosting the tournament, most of the time, rather than once in a blue moon. Problem is the tournaments are now of the size that joint bids are necessary unless you want the hosts to be the same few countries on rotation. The euros is 24 teams now and expected to be 32 in 2032. Realistically only England, France, Spain, Italy, Germany and Russia could host a 32 team tournament outright. Similarly the WC is going to 48 and will probably go to 64 at some point. I’m not even sure the big 6 UEFA countries could host a 48/64 team tournament outright and there aren’t many other countries in the world that could. It’s not just about stadiums, but also hotel capacity, training bases, airport capacity and many other factors. What probably should happen though is that a 32 team euros held in 2 countries should effectively function as 2 separate tournaments. Let’s say Turkey and Italy do get 2032. Groups A-D should be held entirely in Turkey, then the qualifiers from those groups form a path with 4 x R16 games, 2 x QFs and 1 x SF. All held in Turkey. Similarly groups E-H held in Italy and the teams that advance play their knockout games there too. The only teams that have to move country is one of the finalists and (in the WC only) one of the teams in the bronze medal match ETA: The “one country” thing also ignores the fact that nations differ in shape and size and national borders are arbitrary. Fans having to move between Antwerp and Eindhoven, Copenhagen and Gothenburg, or Glasgow and Manchester, have a far easier task on their hands than those having to travel between New York and Los Angeles. Edited October 4, 2023 by Donathan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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