Molotov Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Football should always be played on grass. Especially if it stops Falkirk, Hamilton, Raith and Livingston playing in the top flight. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieWhisky Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Just adding to the ‘pulling up the ladder’ thread, it’s compulsory to run a women’s team and a youth academy to get a UEFA license. That’s only possible for a club like Livingston because all of those teams can play and train on the same pitch at no extra cost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieWhisky Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I would be fascinated to see the terms of the lease between Livingston FC and West Lothian Council for Almondvale Stadium, particularly whether it specifies that the Council must provide a compliant playing surface for SPFL competitions, or a clause to that effect. If that’s the case then West Lothian tax payers could end up having to pay to destroy a valuable community asset, used by hundreds of men, women and children year round, in order to facilitate 11 blokes playing on grass 20 times a year. Frightening really. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Scooby_Doo said: See by no-one, do you mean everyone? Here are Kilmarnock's league placings since installing the 'magic' carpet in 2014: 14/15 10th 15/16 11th 16/17 8th 17/18 5th 18/19 3rd 19/20 8th 20/21 11th (Relegated via the play off) 21/22 1st Championship 22/23 10th Admittedly, in the seasons we finished 5th and 3rd we did have the massively unfair advantage of having a fucking great manager. If you take those outliers out, it has been of no advantage at all. Aye but you've beaten the erse cheeks a few dozen times over that period so it must be down to having a plastic pitch. c***s don't do well losing games and have to blame something, other than them just not playing well enough. 3 hours ago, GroundHoppingBear said: Surely no one can deny it's given Killie and Livi an advantage over other teams? Imagine having to use a shite pitch to prevent the opposition rather than playing better yourselves. Maybe Sevco should get a plastic pitch to do better in Europe, where they haven't the financial advantage they have domestically to beat everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 As much as it's easy to blame Rangers and Celtic for this, I'm more inclined to believe it's other clubs trying to preserve the top flight cash for fewer. League TV and prize money is small beer for the gruesome twosome. I would assume they would vote with it because why not, but I doubt they care that much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Seems a bit regressive tbh and stinks of gatekeeping by the big clubs. Not a massive fan of plastic surfaces, but as long as there is some sort of regulations/minimum standard then so what. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 4 hours ago, velo army said: As has been stated before, the pitch at both Raith and Airdrie are great. The grass pitch at St Johnstone is crap. Our grass pitch has gone through whole seasons of being a disgrace. Your argument in favour of yours is mainly based on sunken cost fallacy. The arguments in favour of plastic are well thought out and reasoned. The arguments against it are largely nonsense or based on aesthetics. The arguments against are based on professional players and Managers. The laugh is the fans on here that try to stick up for plastic pitches are outnumbered 10 to 1 and then some. But still they try and make their argument. Futile and quite frankly baseless. Red dot all you want. Does not change the fact that any team in the top flight with a plastic pitch is an embarrassment. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 19 minutes ago, welldaft said: The arguments against are based on professional players and Managers. The laugh is the fans on here that try to stick up for plastic pitches are outnumbered 10 to 1 and then some. But still they try and make their argument. Futile and quite frankly baseless. Red dot all you want. Does not change the fact that any team in the top flight with a plastic pitch is an embarrassment. The Champions League Final has been held on plastic, and the World Cup Final will in 2 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 The father of one of the young Edinburgh City players made an interesting point last week. We'd played Stirling Albion two weeks ago and they are the only club in L1 with a grass pitch. As his laddie had spent most of his youth football career playing on plastic he wasn't really prepared for playing on a grass pitch. That's why I find all this "ooh, we can't play on plastic" a load of shite. Clubs like Celtic, Rangers, Hibs, Hearts all train on plastic pitches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 31 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: The Champions League Final has been held on plastic, and the World Cup Final will in 2 years. Now I see the error of my ways. Random geezer says so. Here is a thought. Maybe we should play all games on plastic. I have missed something. A better surface than grass. A way you go you moonhowler. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, welldaft said: The arguments against are based on professional players and Managers. The laugh is the fans on here that try to stick up for plastic pitches are outnumbered 10 to 1 and then some. But still they try and make their argument. Futile and quite frankly baseless. Red dot all you want. Does not change the fact that any team in the top flight with a plastic pitch is an embarrassment. 10:1 + aye? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, welldaft said: Does not change the fact that any team in the top flight with a plastic pitch is an embarrassment. It's not a fact. It's your opinion. Your sand pitch was an embarrassment for many years, perhaps we should have relegated Motherwell accordingly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Molotov said: The Netherlands - artificial pitch stance…… They have been incredibly successful as a country at national football tournaments compared to our nation. “The highest level of men’s professional soccer in the Netherlands has opted to outlaw synthetic turf fields by the start of the 2025-26 season. The governing body of the Eredivisie voted in conjunction with the 18 teams currently in the league earlier this year to move to either natural or hybrid playing surfaces. While a few teams in the Eredivisie already play on real grass, those that do not have two years to make the transition. Furthermore, any team that plays in the lower tiers of Dutch professional soccer must switch to natural or hybrid pitches should they get promoted to the top league. A 2016 study by the Nederlandse Omroep Stichting, a broadcasting organization in the Netherlands, warned that the rubber fields it surveyed contained up to six times the amount of cancer-causing compounds permitted in consumer products. In the United States, the material has been linked to at least six deaths of baseball players. Artificial grass also typically contains forever chemicals known as per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) that can lead to severe health conditions such as developmental effects in children and some types of cancer, per the Environmental Protection Agency. The hazards of synthetic fields extend to the environment, as the plastic grass and rubber can leach microplastics and PFAS that pollute water systems.” https://news.yahoo.com/prominent-soccer-league-bans-problematic-063000318.html#:~:text=The highest level of men's,of the 2025-26 season. See the six deaths thing? That relates to one astroturf pitch installed in 1977, and even then, the link is tenuous at best. How many Eredivisie clubs have astro? How many in the divisions below? Does the Netherlands have two or three big clubs that command most of the European and TV money? The answers to their voting system, which again were taken only by the top clubs on something that affects them all, might lie in the answer to those questions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Onion Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: The Champions League Final has been held on plastic, and the World Cup Final will in 2 years. Hmmmm... has it and will it. The champions league final has to be played on natural grass according to their rules. The WC final will be on a natural grass pitch that's being laid for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 37 minutes ago, Scooby_Doo said: It's not a fact. It's your opinion. Your sand pitch was an embarrassment for many years, perhaps we should have relegated Motherwell accordingly. Kilmarnock fan says so. I mean pmsl. Your pitch is an embarrassment. Face facts. How did your cup tie go today 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The hierarchy for a good game is: Good grass Good artificial Bad artificial Bad grass We'd all love good grass pitches at every ground. But its simply not sustainable in our country for a lot of clubs. If we want all good grass pitches season long, we need to move to a summer league. Or have a central fund to help maintain them for clubs who cant afford it. Letting clubs have the option that best suits them is practical. Would suggest the move to ban them is along the lines of "but in England...". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 4 hours ago, welldaft said: The arguments against are based on professional players and Managers. The laugh is the fans on here that try to stick up for plastic pitches are outnumbered 10 to 1 and then some. But still they try and make their argument. Futile and quite frankly baseless. Red dot all you want. Does not change the fact that any team in the top flight with a plastic pitch is an embarrassment. Professional players and managers aye? What a fuckin stupid post. Honestly. Utterly brainless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The most sensible answer here may be that @welldaft's maw had an affair with the old Astroturf pitch at Annfield. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 The Pitch Makes Zero Difference Unless Your Name is Brendan Rodgers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 8 hours ago, welldaft said: Kilmarnock fan says so. I mean pmsl. Your pitch is an embarrassment. Face facts. How did your cup tie go today He does, because our groundsman left us to pour sand all over yours. Our cup tie didn't go well. How about yours? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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