topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: Nah, our pitch pretty much went to shit the season after Dawson left. Probably due to not wanting to spend the money on a qualified replacement. Could that be because they were planning on getting rid of grass anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Div Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Disco Duck said: Are you genuinely this naive? The SPFL Board recently approved plans for a Premiership-wide project to work with a leading pitch consultancy firm, which is regularly used by UEFA, to improve the standards of grass pitches in the cinch Premiership. The SPFL will be engaging with Premiership clubs on this project ahead of the new season. That certainly reads like a follow on project to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 11 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: Hybrid pitches are, in essence, grass pitches. There seems to be a bit of a misconception about them being part grass / part artificial. The fun bit is "in essence", as you could say plastic pitches are "in essence" grass pitches because below the underlayment is earth (extreme stupid argument to prove a point)...and yes I know that the current hybrid pitches have about a 5% or less artificial component. But the law is all about very specific things. The rules the SPFL promulgates have financial and related impacts and CAN be attacked in the courts. They stipulated "no artificial pitches" and "grass pitches", not 99%...or 95% or greater...or some other measure. The use of a woven textile material arguably converts a grass pitch to an artificial pitch at any percentage of inclusion. It really doesn't matter how out there the argument is, if the law looks at it, it is pretty much a black and white matter based upon how you stipulated the matter. It would be hilarious if this was turned on the OF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, TxRover said: The fun bit is "in essence", as you could say plastic pitches are "in essence" grass pitches because below the underlayment is earth (extreme stupid argument to prove a point)...and yes I know that the current hybrid pitches have about a 5% or less artificial component. But the law is all about very specific things. The rules the SPFL promulgates have financial and related impacts and CAN be attacked in the courts. They stipulated "no artificial pitches" and "grass pitches", not 99%...or 95% or greater...or some other measure. The use of a woven textile material arguably converts a grass pitch to an artificial pitch at any percentage of inclusion. It really doesn't matter how out there the argument is, if the law looks at it, it is pretty much a black and white matter based upon how you stipulated the matter. It would be hilarious if this was turned on the OF. Has an updated rulebook been published yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, Todd_is_God said: Has an updated rulebook been published yet? Fair enough, going on their lovely public statements. You're right, it will be quite amusing to see how they tap dance around this May Pole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, Div said: The SPFL Board recently approved plans for a Premiership-wide project to work with a leading pitch consultancy firm, which is regularly used by UEFA, to improve the standards of grass pitches in the cinch Premiership. The SPFL will be engaging with Premiership clubs on this project ahead of the new season. That certainly reads like a follow on project to me. Engaging with clubs = doing nothing. This is like when they pretended they were interested in reconstruction in the summer of 2020 in the aftermath of the vote to end the season. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy groundhopper Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Solution = the SFA and SPFL pay for the pitches to be improved and /or replaced - then charge the clubs rent for using them. What an ingenious money spinner for the blazers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 This is what happens when you don't have natural grass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 No, it's what happens when you build on top of a mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Our new training ground looks almost certain to go ahead so we would’ve been likely moving back to grass regardless of this ruling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Electro Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 First, I seldom watch football in Scotland, so, my views are somewhat moot. Haven't lived in the country since 2002. Haven't spent more than GBP 200 pounds on Scottish football in a decade. Revenue has gone to Motherwell, Ayr, St Johnstone, Clyde, Hamilton, and the SFA. Next, Clyde's and Hamilton's pitches are absolutely awful. Been a while since I've been to Livingston who might have upgraded since. Yesterday I was at Maidstone United whom have recently relaid their plastic pitch. It was absolutely fine. Fans reckoned it cost GBP 200k. Attendance was 3.3k, so, same ballpark as the clubs that have artificial pitches in Scotland. Whilst not as extreme as England, there is an increasing unhealthy 'wealth gap' in Scotland. Actually, there are two. Cheeks. Massive gap to city clubs and a few others including St Mirren, Motherwell. Then, a significant gap to the seasiders. Vote serves to increase these gaps. Not good, at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 hours ago, Dan Electro said: First, I seldom watch football in Scotland, so, my views are somewhat moot. Haven't lived in the country since 2002. Haven't spent more than GBP 200 pounds on Scottish football in a decade. Revenue has gone to Motherwell, Ayr, St Johnstone, Clyde, Hamilton, and the SFA. Next, Clyde's and Hamilton's pitches are absolutely awful. Been a while since I've been to Livingston who might have upgraded since. Yesterday I was at Maidstone United whom have recently relaid their plastic pitch. It was absolutely fine. Fans reckoned it cost GBP 200k. Attendance was 3.3k, so, same ballpark as the clubs that have artificial pitches in Scotland. Whilst not as extreme as England, there is an increasing unhealthy 'wealth gap' in Scotland. Actually, there are two. Cheeks. Massive gap to city clubs and a few others including St Mirren, Motherwell. Then, a significant gap to the seasiders. Vote serves to increase these gaps. Not good, at all. Yup. Pull up the ladder. I’m alright, Jack. Nothing changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 12 hours ago, Dan Electro said: Next, Clyde's and Hamilton's pitches are absolutely awful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Any update on how the SPFL has been 'engaging with clubs'? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 10 hours ago, lanky_ffc said: Any update on how the SPFL has been 'engaging with clubs'? Yes, here is a list of the steps taken to engage the clubs: The above is a long list so take your time reading it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stiles Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 11 hours ago, lanky_ffc said: Any update on how the SPFL has been 'engaging with clubs'? It's high on their To Do list, straight after they've- -ended the Old Firm's sectarianism -had strict liability introduced -redistributed monies more evenly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 17 hours ago, Charles Stiles said: It's high on their To Do list, straight after they've- -ended the Old Firm's sectarianism -had strict liability introduced -redistributed monies more evenly Wow, they've made a list. Quote That certainly reads like a follow on project to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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