Freedom Farter Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Charts use total successful actions, so some players just aren't liked. I tried to compare them v players at the same club too as part of it but you still find players in struggling teams can look worse. Its effectively comparing him to all previous versions of himself too since hes played for you in the period I look at. Some CMs, who sort of do everything well and maybe not one thing a lot, can look poor in these too. Ali McCann was never outstanding looking and Connor Barron is similar. Both those explanations make a lot of sense for Pittman. Midfield all-rounders, which is him, not coming out well. Also that his performances this season were well down on his previous standards until the recent tactical change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I have no idea how to read these things so, to simplify, is green-good and red-bad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Be interesting to see if Biereth was as out of place in our team as it felt at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said: I have no idea how to read these things so, to simplify, is green-good and red-bad? Basically the easiest way to view it, but orange shouldn't really be seen as bad, just not great for whats been at the club/league before, if that makes sense? 3 minutes ago, YassinMoutaouakil said: Be interesting to see if Biereth was as out of place in our team as it felt at times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 hours ago, 2426255 said: You can ram this modern shite straight back up yer arse. Football is about blood, sweat and grit - wanting it more and winning your individual battles, no yer wee geeks, dweebs and Aerial disruptors. 442, little and large, 1995 - that's all that's required. No need to reinvent the wheel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLIS Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 This is one I've been meaning to ask you for, for a while. Nouble from this season vs Nouble of the previous seasons. Looks to most Livi fans like he's had a massive fall off in terms of quality. Would be interested in Tete Yengi v Lyndon Dykes as well. Understandable there's a low number of minutes for Tete but he's having a similar impact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 hours ago, 2426255 said: You can ram this modern shite straight back up yer arse. Football is about blood, sweat and grit - wanting it more and winning your individual battles, no yer wee geeks, dweebs and Aerial disruptors. 442, little and large, 1995 - that's all that's required. No need to reinvent the wheel. Neil Warnock found ^^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 How long does each of these charts take to put together? Have you been working on this since yesterday afternoon? +10 for the commitment. Also find it funny the charts definitely favour the back row but Kerr is still the worst Dundee player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 7 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Airdrie Reveal hidden contents Arbroath Reveal hidden contents Ayr Hide contents Dundee United Reveal hidden contents Dunfermline Reveal hidden contents Morton Reveal hidden contents ICT Reveal hidden contents Partick Thistle Reveal hidden contents Queens Park Reveal hidden contents Raith Rovers Reveal hidden contents War crimes commited in the Ayr charts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 12 minutes ago, ATLIS said: This is one I've been meaning to ask you for, for a while. Nouble from this season vs Nouble of the previous seasons. Looks to most Livi fans like he's had a massive fall off in terms of quality. Would be interested in Tete Yengi v Lyndon Dykes as well. Understandable there's a low number of minutes for Tete but he's having a similar impact. His best for you in it, against this season. Yengi v Dykes, Dykes remains the GOAT 5 minutes ago, Crawford said: How long does each of these charts take to put together? Have you been working on this since yesterday afternoon? +10 for the commitment. Also find it funny the charts definitely favour the back row but Kerr is still the worst Dundee player. Takes about 3-4 minutes to load the code by pressing a button, then I just type a name in, select a season/club from a dropdown, and press a button. 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: War crimes commited in the Ayr charts Aye didn't feel right seeing Reading. From memory Murphy was second. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Aye didn't feel right seeing Reading. From memory Murphy was second. It's probably because it doesn't boil stuff down like crosses allowed for example. Murphy has had to do a lot of defensive work to cover Reading ironically. No requesting anything for it but I'm interested in what you do for goalkeepers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: It's probably because it doesn't boil stuff down like crosses allowed for example. Murphy has had to do a lot of defensive work to cover Reading ironically. No requesting anything for it but I'm interested in what you do for goalkeepers. Nothing ive tried ones for goalkeepers before but its a waste of time really. Youre aswell just looking at save % and xG prevented charts. Im limited by WyScout data which isnt ideal for defensive stuff. I hate how they decide what a "won aerial duel" is too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Newman Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Could you compare Beck to Penrice and Lewis Mayo to Ryan Astley? Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadroj Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) I’d assume these charts are useful when it comes to deciding if a player will be suitable for a certain specific role in their position, rather than just assessing if they are ‘good or bad’. For example: I need a centre back who is physically dominant in the air, and wins loads of headers. Will Joe Wright fit this mould? According to the data - yes. Does that mean that Joe Wright is a great centre back? No. Not a diss on him, as I like him Edited March 11 by Nadroj 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Reveal hidden contents Dunfermline edwards showing up well isn’t a surprise, he’s had a good season surrounded by shit, Otoo probably the only other contender for player of the season I’d be interested in how they compare, perhaps slightly unfairly on Otoo who’s been punted about in different positions but they largely do similar jobs in being defenders who also get heavily involved with attacks. I, and I think most pars fans will be very surprised about Comrie showing so poorly, he’s not had his best of seasons but not been terrible, is it your factors? I see you’ve used the same criteria as edwards and whilst they have both played wingback edwards is very much an attacking one and Comrie is more about defensive contributions which is why he’s often deployed at RCB. But even if you’re judging him on RCB it’s as a 3 and it would be completely unfair to compare him to CBs playing in a 4 which he’d never play. Am I right your/wyscout model still prefers players based on a traditional positions struggling with differing between how distinct some roles in a team can be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Can I have Rocky Bushiri v Franco Baresi please. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 8 hours ago, parsforlife said: I, and I think most pars fans will be very surprised about Comrie showing so poorly, he’s not had his best of seasons but not been terrible, is it your factors? I see you’ve used the same criteria as edwards and whilst they have both played wingback edwards is very much an attacking one and Comrie is more about defensive contributions which is why he’s often deployed at RCB. But even if you’re judging him on RCB it’s as a 3 and it would be completely unfair to compare him to CBs playing in a 4 which he’d never play. Am I right your/wyscout model still prefers players based on a traditional positions struggling with differing between how distinct some roles in a team can be? I try now to group players by all positions they play. So Comrie plays RCB, RB, and RWB. RCB becomes CB, and RB/RWB become FB, and his "new position" becomes "CB, FB". Hes then compared solely against players who also share that "new position" of "CB, FB". Its not ideal and still has weaknesses but think its better/fairer than just comparing him against everyone whos played full back? Tends to be a decent overlap between players who play both CB and FB playing wide in a back 3 sometimes. Issue for Comrie will be hes possibly getting compared to players in your League One winning side last season aswell? Adding a league filter to when players are compared against those at the same club is probably next for me to put in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houston_bud Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Probably been answered already, but is there no copyright issues with sharing these? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, houston_bud said: Probably been answered already, but is there no copyright issues with sharing these? Why would there be? WyScout get bitchy if you publicly charge for sharing their raw data, but all the "metrics/sections" used here are ones ive made without giving away the raw data, codes all mine for the charts, and i dont charge for doing anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Lundstram please. Arguably our POTY thus far and seems to have really stepped up under Clement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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