Scooby_Doo Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 6 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said: I have also seen it argued the Rugby can be more of a stop/start game than football That was true many years ago, nowadays the default is to waste time at throw ins, goal kicks and to go down 'injured' all the time. Something that could also be fixed by borrowing from rugby - let physios straight on the pitch, don't stop the game. Also, if a game has a fourth official, don't stop for subs either. Everyone is miked up, put the boards up so we can see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 3 hours ago, kingjoey said: Interesting. You've just rewritten the Laws of Physics in one fell swoop. I would argue it is mathematically impossible for two objects in continuous space to be absolutely in line with each other. They might be in the same place to the nearest centimetre, or to the nearest millimetre, or even to the nearest 100th of a millimetre, but if you continue to increase the precision you will always be able to separate them. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3328594/why-is-the-px-x-0-when-x-is-continuous 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 40 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I would argue it is mathematically impossible for two objects in continuous space to be absolutely in line with each other. They might be in the same place to the nearest centimetre, or to the nearest millimetre, or even to the nearest 100th of a millimetre, but if you continue to increase the precision you will always be able to separate them. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3328594/why-is-the-px-x-0-when-x-is-continuous as the answer in that link states continuous probability doesn’t perfectly model any real world situation. If you start by simply assuming that the probability of something is zero then it’s hardly surprising that you can show it’s impossible which means we’ve still not solved the question of whether two players can be absolutely level I think we’re dangerously close to needing someone that understands Quantum Mechanics properly and that’s not me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: I would argue it is mathematically impossible for two objects in continuous space to be absolutely in line with each other. They might be in the same place to the nearest centimetre, or to the nearest millimetre, or even to the nearest 100th of a millimetre, but if you continue to increase the precision you will always be able to separate them. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3328594/why-is-the-px-x-0-when-x-is-continuous You would argue black is white sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Someone asked a question, I gave them an answer and you disagreed with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I’m pretty sure it is possible for two people to be perfectly in line, but it only applies to spherical players in a vacuum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10menwent2mow Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 If they can't be in line then why do we get dead heats in other sporting events?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 New Head of Refereeing found. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I see Barca are contemplating going down the legal route as they didn't get a decision. Can't wait for Scottish clubs to start doing that. Quote If, once this documentation has been analysed, the club understands that an error was made in the revision of the incident, we will take all available measures to reverse the situation, without discounting, obviously, any necessary legal action Laporta https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2vwq901e93o 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Just now, 2426255 said: I see Barca are contemplating going down the legal route as they didn't get a decision. Can't wait for Scottish clubs to start doing that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c2vwq901e93o Anyone taking bets on which Scottish club will be first? We demand to know! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: If they can't be in line then why do we get dead heats in other sporting events?? Because of the degree to which it can be measured. Same as how two people might be 5'10, and we call them the same height. But if we were to be able to measure further, we'd find one is a tiny bit taller than the other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: If they can't be in line then why do we get dead heats in other sporting events?? Because they only measure to the nearest hundredth or thousandth of a second and don't have the precision to measure smaller times/distances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 18 hours ago, craigkillie said: There is no such thing as level, there will always be one player slightly further forward than the other. The offside law is the exact same whether there is VAR or not, the only difference is the level of precision to which a decision can be analysed. 11 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Same as how two people might be 5'10, and we call them the same height. But if we were to be able to measure further, we'd find one is a tiny bit taller than the other. This is basically a restatement of @craigkillie's theory from earlier which we've already shown to be problematic But given that people have been struggling with similar paradoxes since Zeno in the 5th century BC we shouldn't be surprised that P&B's finest brains have yet to crack it There are no photos of Zeno so here's one of Xena instead 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 There will come a day when football uses AI to genuinely measure all this stuff, won’t there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingswellsRed Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: There will come a day when football uses AI to genuinely measure all this stuff, won’t there? That would be better than the current situation since surely it would become instant as the technology improves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 9 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said: That would be better than the current situation since surely it would become instant as the technology improves. Probably. Don’t really want offside to be measured in such a way but if it is faster and more reliable than the current clown car version then I guess it’s preferable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 49 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said: Because of the degree to which it can be measured. Same as how two people might be 5'10, and we call them the same height. But if we were to be able to measure further, we'd find one is a tiny bit taller than the other. So no two people can ever be exactly in line with each other, nor be exactly the same height. You learn something new every day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 6 minutes ago, kingjoey said: So no two people can ever be exactly in line with each other, nor be exactly the same height. You learn something new every day. NEVER. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 31 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: There will come a day when football uses AI to genuinely measure all this stuff, won’t there? The semi-automated offside being used in UEFA competitions and due to be introduced in England next season is basically this - as far as I'm aware it requires a model to predict the position of players in between frames of the camera. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 10 hours ago, The Master said: I’m pretty sure it is possible for two people to be perfectly in line, but it only applies to spherical players in a vacuum. Garry O'Connor is spherical and exists in a vacuum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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