wow-wee Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, jimbaxters said: Would agree with that but watch the attendance figures for the upcoming semis and final. The fans who turn up aren't doing so for the prize money. The attendance for each semi final won't be over 2000 at any of the games the biggest will be the home tie at beechwood a shadow of a crowd from the past . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanner Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 18 minutes ago, wow-wee said: The attendance for each semi final won't be over 2000 at any of the games the biggest will be the home tie at beechwood a shadow of a crowd from the past . If being fair about it, you can only compare it to crowds in the current era. It compares very well in that regard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wow-wee Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, BANKIEBILL said: And the SJFA - with the 60% take from each of the semis - are not exactly diminishing the pile. Old school sjfa back to their old tricks trying to boost their dwindling bank balance . An example of this was we went to a semi final at love street over 8 thousand fans club gets 5k sjfa pockets the rest. As for the sjfa and there big bank balance remember where all this money came from it was generated from every junior club that ever existed and a few of them no longer exist and what help did the glorious sjfa do for them to stay afloat zero but they took their membership fee each year from them, fined them for bookings ,paid them for reinstatement for players who weren't juniors and let's not forget all the club's who had to give them their cut from their gates where some small club's who only had £150 at best through the gate and if it's a team from the North you were having to give the over £300 from your £150 gate ! Fans from the bigger clubs clearly have no clue what's going on at the other end of the money train in order for them to get their big prize money at the end of the tournament remember where it came from! Edited April 6 by wow-wee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Shanner said: genuine question - regarding the point about too many unlicensed clubs. To use Beith as a hypothetical example because their lack of license is probably the most inconvenient from your perspective - if they continue to delay getting a license indefinitely and won the next 3 or 4 league titles, what would be your solution to this? It doesn't seem like there is any sort of penalty for not getting licensed at the moment other than missing out on the chance to be promoted. what practical "progressive" solution do you have in mind for this situation? Personally, I would just let the highest-placed licensed team have a pop at the playoffs. The WoS Board did try and float the idea of making the Premier all licensed or certainly aim for that standard. Don't think it even went to a vote as they knew it wasn't popular enough to pass. They're certainly trying for that. Its just there's no teeth to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santheman Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 28 minutes ago, wow-wee said: Old school sjfa back to their old tricks trying to boost their dwindling bank balance . An example of this was we went to a semi final at love street over 8 thousand fans club gets 5k sjfa pockets the rest. As for the sjfa and there big bank balance remember where all this money came from it was generated from every junior club that ever existed and a few of them no longer exist and what help did the glorious sjfa do for them to stay afloat zero but they took their membership fee each year from them, fined them for bookings ,paid them for reinstatement for players who weren't juniors and let's not forget all the club's who had to give them their cut from their gates where some small club's who only had £150 at best through the gate and if it's a team from the North you were having to give the over £300 from your £150 gate ! Fans from the bigger clubs clearly have no clue what's going on at the other end of the money train in order for them to get their big prize money at the end of the tournament remember where it came from! Dont see any arm twisting from the SJFA going on to force clubs into entering the competition against their will. They go into it with their eyes wide-open in the knowledge that they're more than likely to have a long expensive journey somewhere along the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Wilson Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 56 minutes ago, wow-wee said: Old school sjfa back to their old tricks trying to boost their dwindling bank balance . An example of this was we went to a semi final at love street over 8 thousand fans club gets 5k sjfa pockets the rest. As for the sjfa and there big bank balance remember where all this money came from it was generated from every junior club that ever existed and a few of them no longer exist and what help did the glorious sjfa do for them to stay afloat zero but they took their membership fee each year from them, fined them for bookings ,paid them for reinstatement for players who weren't juniors and let's not forget all the club's who had to give them their cut from their gates where some small club's who only had £150 at best through the gate and if it's a team from the North you were having to give the over £300 from your £150 gate ! Fans from the bigger clubs clearly have no clue what's going on at the other end of the money train in order for them to get their big prize money at the end of the tournament remember where it came from! Who's dwelling in the past now? Going back 25 years to find something to have a pop at the Juniors with. That big chip on your shoulders must be weighing you down something terrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike strutter Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 15 hours ago, southerner said: Rent free Just truthful … you can’t hide it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, Casper Wilson said: Who's dwelling in the past now? Going back 25 years to find something to have a pop at the Juniors with. That big chip on your shoulders must be weighing you down something terrible. Let's stay in here and now. Hard to tell what gates will be but say they are as follows 1 Talbot v Darvel - 2000 2 Darvel v Talbot - 1200 3 Arthurlie v Burgh - 1000 4 Burgh v Arthurlie - 800 Now for sake of the clubs I hope each has more- I've no real beef with any of them. Prices are £10 & £5 I believe If you allow for 60/40 full to concession which is hopefully again realistic. Game 1 has receipts of £16000 2 £9600 3 £8000 4 £6400 That's £40000 over 4 matches and at 60% SJFA pocket £24000. That's not 25 years ago That's today. Allowing for expenses etc it's still around £23000. That's money taken from pockets of clubs. Not sure what guarantee - if any - is but unless it's on top of your home game then it's a big whack of money to be taking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 19 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Let's stay in here and now. Hard to tell what gates will be but say they are as follows 1 Talbot v Darvel - 2000 2 Darvel v Talbot - 1200 3 Arthurlie v Burgh - 1000 4 Burgh v Arthurlie - 800 Now for sake of the clubs I hope each has more- I've no real beef with any of them. Prices are £10 & £5 I believe If you allow for 60/40 full to concession which is hopefully again realistic. Game 1 has receipts of £16000 2 £9600 3 £8000 4 £6400 That's £40000 over 4 matches and at 60% SJFA pocket £24000. That's not 25 years ago That's today. Allowing for expenses etc it's still around £23000. That's money taken from pockets of clubs. Not sure what guarantee - if any - is but unless it's on top of your home game then it's a big whack of money to be taking. Losing semi-finalists get £5k each. Runners up will be £10k and winners £20k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Losing semi-finalists get £5k each. Runners up will be £10k and winners £20k. Is that in addition to gate money ? In which case, they will be at least £13000 up on the deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Is that in addition to gate money ? In which case, they will be at least £13000 up on the deal. Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 hours ago, Vanderbilt said: The original premise of the new league was to join the senior set up and promote the pyramid.The EoSL league have done that with great success with Tranent,Linlithgow,Bo’ness etc all moving up. The west is moving back the way with far too many unlicensed clubs in the top league,hanging on to the truncated Junior Cup and now going to elect a guy who is actively saying he wants to move it backwards! Thats got nothing to do with Clydebank,anyone who can’t see the direction of travel is truly blind. A massive over reaction. Seems like clubs are quite happy with the current set up. Do agree that it's a conflict of interest having this lad on both boards. Was also really surprised to see the "except SJFA" part of the constitution. Seems weird. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Just now, andy25 said: Yes. Andy I've no skin in the game but don't you think it's excessive ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy25 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Andy I've no skin in the game but don't you think it's excessive ? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, andy25 said: Yes. Be same with final. More than cover costs unless its a rotten crowd 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Wilson Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Be same with final. More than cover costs unless its a rotten crowd And if it is a rotten crowd? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clansman Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Is there income to SJFA from sponsorship money, TV money, advertising and programmes to be added into these equations anywhere ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 32 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said: Is that in addition to gate money ? In which case, they will be at least £13000 up on the deal. The SJFA now have to cover £53,600 in actual prize money. Since we know they were losing money with the old model of just covering the semi-final and final guarantees. Time's going to tell if they're onto a money loser with this version. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Wilson Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, BANKIEBILL said: Let's stay in here and now. Hard to tell what gates will be but say they are as follows 1 Talbot v Darvel - 2000 2 Darvel v Talbot - 1200 3 Arthurlie v Burgh - 1000 4 Burgh v Arthurlie - 800 Now for sake of the clubs I hope each has more- I've no real beef with any of them. Prices are £10 & £5 I believe If you allow for 60/40 full to concession which is hopefully again realistic. Game 1 has receipts of £16000 2 £9600 3 £8000 4 £6400 That's £40000 over 4 matches and at 60% SJFA pocket £24000. That's not 25 years ago That's today. Allowing for expenses etc it's still around £23000. That's money taken from pockets of clubs. Not sure what guarantee - if any - is but unless it's on top of your home game then it's a big whack of money to be taking. Give us your figures if it had been a Hurlford and Lochee United semi and a Bellshill v St Cadoc's semi? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 13 minutes ago, Casper Wilson said: And if it is a rotten crowd? It'd have to be rank. If Talbot v Arthurlie say then you'd have to think 6000 plus. Darvel v Johnstone Burgh would probably bring out the locals for a day out ... 4000 anyway. Oth of those would see costs covered if same splits and prices as semi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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