Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Minter that the central belters think the current Labour is anywhere near their pyoor working class roots byraway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: If a Private Company awarded pay rises that they could not afford, the company would collapse. Why should the public sector act differently? Teachers in particular were already being paid extremely competitive wages, but bumped their gums because they felt the increases in the cost of living shouldn't apply to them and the SG caved in. I'll accept that the issue has arisen over a long period but a knee jerk unaffordable increase in wages because you want to look better than England isn't the answer either. The bit in bold is simply Birthday Caird Pish i'm afraid. You stay because you're comfortable here and haven't got the balls to move to the other side of the world. I don't blame you for that - I don't think I could do that. Havent got the balls to be millionaires is quite the take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Havent got the balls to be millionaires is quite the take. And yet here you are. Staying where you are rather than go be millionaires. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: With a few outlying seats*, you can pretty much split Scotland into four regions now. The far South and borders are Tory, the central belt is Labour, the North East is SNP and the far north is Lib Dem *The few exceptions are the pockets of central belt Lib Dem support, the two Tory seats in Aberdeenshire, and Labour winning the Western Isles Never has the division been more apparent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 55 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The one thing out of their control is how Labour do at Westminster. It might not take that long before they too become unpopular - the electorate is much more volatile than the past - your single party lifetime voters are a dwindling bunch. Very much this. In Scotland at the next GE people could well be disillusioned by Labour doing sweet FA. The vote stays at home or returns to the SNP and the SNP voters who blanked the election this time around decide to participate again and it could be 2015 type results all over again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 27 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: If a Private Company awarded pay rises that they could not afford, the company would collapse. Why should the public sector act differently? Teachers in particular were already being paid extremely competitive wages, but bumped their gums because they felt the increases in the cost of living shouldn't apply to them and the SG caved in. I'll accept that the issue has arisen over a long period but a knee jerk unaffordable increase in wages because you want to look better than England isn't the answer either. The bit in bold is simply Birthday Caird Pish i'm afraid. You stay because you're comfortable here and haven't got the balls to move to the other side of the world. I don't blame you for that - I don't think I could do that. As someone who was a local Councillor for 10 years then ran his own business for 25+ years I would suggest comparing local authorities and private businesses is the height of stupidity.* Their objectives and modus operandi are completely different. But you’re not alone, the Tory Councillors used to do it all the time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 8 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: As someone who was a local Councillor for 10 years then ran his own business for 25+ years I would suggest comparing local authorities and private businesses is the height of stupidity.* Their objectives and modus operandi are completely different. But you’re not alone, the Tory Councillors used to do it all the time. 25 years and retirement to Spain is a pretty lucrative contract to award yourself. Top grift. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Just now, coprolite said: 25 years and retirement to Spain is a pretty lucrative contract to award yourself. Top grift. Never did any local authority work. I imagine they’d be a pain in the arse to work for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 No doubt it was mentioned further back in the thread, but that turnout should be ringing alarm bells everywhere except at REFUK HQ. A good 10%+ of regular voters took one look at what was offered and thought, "nah". This is exactly how those c***s dominated the European Elections while working to get us removed from them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Just saw Johnny Mercer lost his seat yesterday - that'll save him from having to stand down at the next GE! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, TxRover said: So nice to have a distraction from the house being on fire already over here, as it looks like some smoke at your place. Is that you Grimbo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, coprolite said: Corbyn was box office compared to Starmer. But he mobilised and galvanised the opposition as much as his own side. If Starmer had had half of Corbyn's manifesto, he would have had all the friction from the media, vested interests lined up against him and might have kept tories voting tory. No way would turnout be as low. And he'd probably not enthuse the left as much as corbyn did. He won by being a blank slate for people to project their own hopes onto while never thrratening the sratus quo. I doubt he could have won with anything controversial. Would largely agree with this. Another couple of factors: Ironically had Farage not 'returned' just a few weeks ago, don't think Reform would have done anything like as well as they did. For probably 90% of their voters he is the 'face' they need to back them, odious though he is. That would have meant the Tories traditional vote holding up better and a smaller Lab majority. You are right that, had Starmer set out a more 'Corbyn like' offer, the right wing media would have been all over it. Given that we have only ever had 7 Labour PMs it is incredibly difficult to win with a more left leaning manifesto. However, despite the point above about the Tory vote holding up better had Farage not intervened, after Truss they were never going to 'win' this election..once their economic credibility was shot...even their traditionalists will put up with Johnson's antics but when they crash the economy they are done. So, Starmer could probably have been bolder...not Corbyn bolder,no, but still...and seem come out with a working majority. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 A poor night for content on P&B, all in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 37 minutes ago, The Other Foot said: Is that you Grimbo? Nah, it’s just nice to finally get to point and laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: And yet here you are. Staying where you are rather than go be millionaires. Because we believe in the nhs and the wider public sector…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Because we believe in the nhs and the wider public sector…. Ok mate, keep telling yourself that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 Might have been already posted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Northern Ireland election results 2024 | Constituency map - BBC News Interesting to look at Northern Ireland where headline is Sinn Fein finishing top... but in reality the seat balance remains the same as last time, with 9x Republican, 8x Unionist and 1x cross-community. DUP lost 3 seats to smaller unionists. Republican share grew by just 0.2%... and including the Independent Unionist who beat the Alliance in North Down the Unionist vote also actually grew by 0.4% (indeed the Alliance vote fell by 1.8% across Ulster). Unionist basic problem is having their votes split across DUP on 172,000 and UUP on 95,000 and TUV on 49,000 and the independent on 21,000 (total = 337,000); whereas the Republicans are concentrated into only Sinn Fein on 211,000 and SDLP on 89,000 with their only real drag being Aontu on 7,000 (total = 307,000). The folk who vote SF will always vote SF. Those who move to Northern Ireland for work etc will not necessarily be the staunch types and may not buy into the default voting tendencies, which may explain the split in that side's votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 10 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Ok mate, keep telling yourself that. ^^^ There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, BFTD said: I was a bit amazed to read that Islington North was "too close to call" in the weeks before the election. Corbyn's been their MP for, what, forty years, and I don't think anybody's ever said that he's been anything other than a good MP. He's also yet another Labour MP who has been expelled from the workers' party for being too socialist, so it seemed patently obvious that he would get a big return. Shouldn't matter to Labour anyway, as he'll vote with them on most things and they don't need him anyway, but I assume there was a bit of pressure put on the press to pretend he might lose in the hope that it affected the outcome somehow. Twitter's worst were full of characteristic hubris before that one... But ended up disappointed. Edit: Just saw this now too. Edited July 5 by Freedom Farter 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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