Binos Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, Granny Danger said: Yes you are, you’re suggesting he’s done nothing illegal. I don’t know if he has or not but the charges against him involve illegal acts. I'm suggesting it is illegal but borne from stupidity and not malice Therefore hardly crime of the century 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, Angus_Don said: Isn't it pretty clear what's going on here? The people of England have had enough of the Tories and our voters have had enough of the SNP. This is turning into a referendum on the the incumbents in Westminster and Holyrood in their respective countries and both are being given a bloody nose. Labour run Wales. Do you think they do a good job there? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: I'd back Flynn as the next leader of the SNP. I like Swinney but he's never improving things as a leader. Tainted too much by the past and is about as charismatic as a constipated pigeon. See you'd have thought having only been in the job two months that no matter what happens today, Swinney will still be the leader come the 2026 Holyrood election. If the exit polls accirate though and it's genuinely the case that the Tories have won more Scottish seats than the SNP? That's surely far worse than the worst case scenario anyone in the SNP would have envisaged going into this election. He could genuinely be on a shoogly peg already if it's actually that terrible for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Btw while we're talking exit poll scepticism - my eyebrow rises even more with this prediction of Reform on 13 and Greens on 4... I can see both getting a few but those just seem to defy sense? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oceanlineayr Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: This is England you are talking about, not UK Any English seats they gain in general elections gives them influence over us. That and Farage would (most likely will) be polluting all forms of media more than he already is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Even if the SNP climb up to 15 or so, it's still an absolute disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Think we can officially put Scotland in the mud then. Time to pick up a useful skill and f**k off 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) Just now, itzdrk said: Think we can officially put Scotland in the mud then. Time to pick up a useful skill and f**k off I’m going to learn the flute and cross the Irish sea Edited July 4 by 101 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Binos said: I'm suggesting it is illegal but borne from stupidity and not malice Therefore hardly crime of the century Maybe or maybe not, not all the details are available yet, but the blowback has been monumental. I don’t accept stupidity as a plea in mitigation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Dunning1874 said: See you'd have thought having only been in the job two months that no matter what happens today, Swinney will still be the leader come the 2026 Holyrood election. If the exit polls accirate though and it's genuinely the case that the Tories have won more Scottish seats than the SNP? That's surely far worse than the worst case scenario anyone in the SNP would have envisaged going into this election. He could genuinely be on a shoogly peg already if it's actually that terrible for them. I could see him standing down. I always got the impression from him that he was a temporary custodian of leading the party and he saw it that way as well. If Flynn and Black lose their seats, I could see him stepping aside for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, Oceanlineayr said: Any English seats they gain in general elections gives them influence over us. That and Farage would (most likely will) be polluting all forms of media more than he already is. I totally agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Difficult to square even the grim pre election polling for the SNP with this predicted result, and given they were still 15 points ahead of the Tories in those polls, there is likely a mismatch somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angus_Don Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Labour run Wales. Do you think they do a good job there? Awful, but the Tories seem to be getting the blame for their shortcomings in Wales, seems different up here and I have no clue as to why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Well, Perth was always going to go Tory again eventually. Typical it’s with a border change and the oddballs in the fields getting a say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Binos said: I'm suggesting it is illegal but borne from stupidity and not malice Therefore hardly crime of the century I'm not sure imbezelment / fraud is ever borne of "malice" and it always stupid but that doesn't make it any less serious. Next you will be giving us the "victimless crime" line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpaddyx Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, itzdrk said: Think we can officially put Scotland in the mud then. Time to pick up a useful skill and f**k off Ach, there is always the Holyrood elections in 2 years to put things right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, Jambomo said: I could see him standing down. I always got the impression from him that he was a temporary custodian of leading the party and he saw it that way as well. If Flynn and Black lose their seats, I could see him stepping aside for them. Swinney was always a stop gap. SNP knew they'd take a hit at Westminster so better the hit be taken by a short termer than a long termer like Flynn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, mizfit said: Well, Perth was always going to go Tory again eventually. Typical it’s with a border change and the oddballs in the fields getting a say. Been down in Perthsire this week and all the farmer arseholes from Comrie to Perth have their Luke Graham boards littering their fields. c***s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S7C Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 I've never been so disillusioned with politics. Struggling to actually care. Yeah, Labour are better than the Tories but not by a significant measure. Can't take to Starmer at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Jambomo said: I could see him standing down. I always got the impression from him that he was a temporary custodian of leading the party and he saw it that way as well. If Flynn and Black lose their seats, I could see him stepping aside for them. Black isn’t standing, she’s chucking it anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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