Butters Scotch Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2426255 said: The same people obsessed with form and against the loyalty idea. Gilmour hadn't been playing for Brighton at that time and so wasn't in good 'form' I know you don't believe I the whole form thing but you're reaching there with your example used. A players form is very much part of the thinking of managers, you only have to look at Southgate's squad where he dropped the likes of Rashford who has not been playing well for a while as one example of that Edited June 12 by Butters Scotch 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One off poster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 18 hours ago, ArabFC said: The midfield four will be (without a doubt) McGregor, McTominay, McGinn and... either Christie or Gilmour. Does Clarke want McTominay in the middle for increased physicality, or with the freedom to get forward? That's what I reckon it'll boil down to. Christie plays in the former case, Gilmour in the latter. The other choice is RWB. I really can't see Forrest starting there against Germany up against Musiala. Hendry is a possibility, but I'd go Ralston. And I think folk forget bow much Clarke loves Hanley. He starts if deemed ready. So I go... Gunn -- Ralston, Hendry, Hanley, Tierney, Robertson -- McTominay, Gilmour, McGregor, McGinn -- Adams Think it says a lot about Steve Clarke as a manager that of 10 outfield players there you have 2 left backs and 4 central midfielders, but if that turns out to be the line up nobody would bat an eyelid. He knows how to make the best of what he has. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bing Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Butters Scotch said: I know you don't believe I the whole form thing but you're reaching there with your example used. A players form is very much part of the thinking of managers, you only have to look at Southgate's squad where he dropped the likes of Rashford who has not been playing well for a while as one example of that Pointless trying to educate him mate, wasn't long ago he didn't think gilmour was even good enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Gilmour wasn't out of form in March 2023. He wasn't playing for Brighton because Caicedo and MacAllister were there. It's no surprise that Brighton are a bottom half team now without that quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I’m glad the two shittiest try-hard trolls on the forum have found a common thread to bond in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, One off poster said: Think it says a lot about Steve Clarke as a manager that of 10 outfield players there you have 2 left backs and 4 central midfielders, but if that turns out to be the line up nobody would bat an eyelid. He knows how to make the best of what he has. This is one of the things I love about international football - you have to play the cards you're dealt, which leads to tactics you would never see in the club game. Stand-out examples are things like Romania's 3-6-1 with Hagi dictating the game with his left foot from the right touchline and Spain massacring Italy 4-0 without a forward. Austria are a bit like Scotland in that their star is a left back so they use him further forward and coming infield, but we're especially weird in having two of them. Then there's the perennial conflict between picking better players or a better formation. IMO it's a bigger test of a manager's talent than club football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, Butters Scotch said: I know you don't believe I the whole form thing but you're reaching there with your example used. A players form is very much part of the thinking of managers, you only have to look at Southgate's squad where he dropped the likes of Rashford who has not been playing well for a while as one example of that I was just saying that was part of the reasoning as to why some Scottish fans were saying he shouldn't play in those games was the form argument. He wasn't having a good time of things at club level at that time. With Scotland form is important for some players, but not for others - that we know. Robertson, Tierney, Hanley, Cooper, Gilmour, Patterson, Dykes and probably the majority of the squad don't need to be in form, it doesn't play into the thinking. Players that do are closer to the periphery Morgan, Forrest, Fraser, Shankland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/billy-gilmour-warns-typical-scotland-33017644 According to the Daily Record "Steve Clarke has already been hatching a secret tactical masterplan to create an explosive opening night shock here at the Euros." I suggested two personnel/tactical tweaks. It would be great if they actually happened. Would I be surprised? Not really. They're brilliant ideas. It would be equally great if it brought a win. Watch this space. Edited June 13 by SlayerX -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggyStooge Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 Angus Gunn 2 Anthony Ralston 3 Andrew Robertson 6 Kieran Tierney 13 Jack Hendry 15 Ryan Porteous 4 Scott McTominay 7 John McGinn 8 Callum McGregor 11 Ryan Christie 10 Che Adams 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depechekillie Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, IggyStooge said: 1 Angus Gunn 2 Anthony Ralston 3 Andrew Robertson 6 Kieran Tierney 13 Jack Hendry 15 Ryan Porteous 4 Scott McTominay 7 John McGinn 8 Callum McGregor 11 Ryan Christie 10 Che Adams Is this confirmed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Gilmour out,mcT in 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depechekillie Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, Depechekillie said: Is this confirmed? This is spot on … 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggyStooge Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, Depechekillie said: Is this confirmed? Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shizzlemanizzle Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I trust SSC but Gilmour would be in my starting 11. As press resistant as we have and not spectacularly efficient in a ‘super sub’ role. Christie is like a dog chasing a ball (in a good way) but I’m not sure we are high pressing here and would be really effective against a tiring German team. So very much hope I’m wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymcp Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 This would have been my team also. They aren’t invincible and we aren’t good enough to sit back all game, and if it’s a straight choice between McGregor and Gilmour I’d always elect for CM as he recycles the ball quicker. BG is talented but is a tad slow in everything he does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 All I can say is I'm glad I'm not Steve Clarke We have 5 top class midfielders fighting for 4 spots. It's a great position to be in I love Gilmour but Christie has shown himself to be so important in these games and I have no issues with him going with a more physical presence in there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 minute ago, paddymcp said: BG is talented but is a tad slow in everything he does. Watch a different sport, f**k me 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I guess if we don't plan on playing through midfield then Gilmour loses effectiveness and value compared to McTominay/Christie/McGinn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Interesting side! No Gilmour. Obviously Clarke deciding to have sand dancer Christie in. As for Ralston and,Porteous? Ah well! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters Scotch Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Quote Not surprised at all with Clarke leaving out Gilmour, defensively and off the ball is a major weakness for him (as much as he tries and has improved in this side of the game) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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