Todd_is_God Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Let's be honest if it was anyone other than Ukraine nobody would be saying a word. Finishing 4th and being upset that a team who finished 3rd in a different group has gone through with less points is up there with the boring stuff spouted every year about the team in 7th having more points than the team in 6th. Will never happen due to TV revenue but other than playing all / more of the final group games at the same time the format is fine. Had we won on Sunday and/or Croatia held on for 60 more seconds the outcome of the final games could have been very different. That's tournament football for you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 It's also born from the same stuff as this combined league table everyone seems obsessed with, including UEFA with their shite new "Swiss format". You can't compare teams across groups in such a small field over so few matches. Ukraine got 4 points in their group, and you can't compare that to the 3 points that other teams in other groups got, particularly when the intricacies of the format and ordering of fixtures can mean a completely uneven playing field. Ukraine came bottom of their group, and didn't go through as a result. Personally I'd level their inability to beat Belgium - for me one of the most pointless and spineless international sides to actually have talent - as a reason to get them to f**k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 16 makes perfect sense and there was no need whatever to expand beyond it. It's lessened the tournament. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 The current format doesn’t work for me. 24 teams down to 16 after half the tournament makes the group stage feel like a bit of a waste of time. As an aside, uefa should be doing more to involve the diddy nations. Have a diddy euros the summer before or after, or even the month before the main competition. Would give smaller countries the opportunity to host, and their supporters an opportunity to watch their country at a tournament. Might also give us the opportunity to get out of the groups. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: The current format doesn’t work for me. 24 teams down to 16 after half the tournament makes the group stage feel like a bit of a waste of time. Totally agree. It's half the tournament in terms of time, but in terms of matches, it's much more. It requires an awful lot of football to eliminate only a third of the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 How about a 32 team Euros, but with 'invitation' places making up some of the extra teams? Keeps qualifying kind of interesting and replicates what happens in other confederation championships. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I think the tournament has generally been really good tbh, so can’t see how it’s been lessened by having 24 teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 3 hours ago, sparky88 said: How about a 32 team Euros, but with 'invitation' places making up some of the extra teams? Keeps qualifying kind of interesting and replicates what happens in other confederation championships. Doubly good: as we could ease our pathway, finally shake off the hoodoo, and qualify from a group... by facing some eminently beatable opponents like Costa Rica, Iran, Morocco, Peru or Zaire? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 On 27/06/2024 at 10:49, JS_FFC said: There’s been a lot of complaints online about the format of the 24 team euros. After a brilliant start the final match day of the group stage was a dull event with many teams in the later groups knowing a 0-0 draw or 1-0 defeat would be enough to send them through. I’ve seen many suggestions online on how to fix this, ranging from the somewhat normal to the downright bizarre, including: - Changing the “four best third place teams” rule to “four best teams who failed to qualify” such that Ukraine with their 4 points could qualify despite finishing bottom, ahead of Slovenia who qualified with just 3 points. - Give the best 4 group winners a bye to the quarter finals and eliminate everyone who wasn’t top 2. The remaining 2 group winners and all 6 runners up would play a repechage round. - Rank all of the qualified teams 1-16 based on their group record and have the top seed play the 16th seed etc. This would remove the current “easy half, hard half” type discourse but would mean there would potentially be group stage rematches in round 2 and also the fans wouldn’t be so able to plot their travel through the tournament in advance. - Variation of the previous one, I’ve seen it suggested that UEFA scrap the group stage altogether and move to a Swiss style system like the champions league with every team playing 3 matches and then moving on to the knockout stage. - The most popular suggestion of all seems to be to simplify the format by expanding to 32 or even going back to 16. The latter will never happen for financial reasons but the former surely will. What would you like to see happen (if anything) to change the format going forward? 24 teams is too many. Should be 16 teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Ditch all this 3rd place shite. 16 teams. Some amount of shite going through. Reminds me of the Welsh tourney when they shatfest there way to the semis. What an abomination of a tournament that was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crabbit Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 After the group stages, the knockout rounds should be based on group performance i.e. Spain won all 3 games so should play the lowest ranked 3rd placed team, any team that wins all their group matches gets an easier matchup, then have a free for all draw, stop teams trying to shitfest their way through because they can possibly see who they have ahead of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlovin' Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 One of the other downsides to a 24 team tournament is that Austria and Netherlands can meet again as early as quarter-finals, having played each other in the groups. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 hours ago, McGlovin' said: One of the other downsides to a 24 team tournament is that Austria and Netherlands can meet again as early as quarter-finals, having played each other in the groups. Well the Turks messed that up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 On 27/06/2024 at 06:08, JS_FFC said: I fully expect a variation of this to happen in the next few cycles. The top countries want to reduce the overall number of matches played and not have to play the diddies so I think we’ll eventually see the main qualification tournament scrapped and the nations league will be used with slots massively weighted towards leagues A and B. Or a nation doesn't have to qualify for the next tournament if it reaches the last 8/16? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On 01/07/2024 at 16:34, sparky88 said: How about a 32 team Euros, but with 'invitation' places making up some of the extra teams? Keeps qualifying kind of interesting and replicates what happens in other confederation championships. Only if the 8 invitees are totally random comedy sides, like Dukla Pumpherston, the Bolivian women's side, Deportivo Wanka, and Dundee United. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 4 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Only if the 8 invitees are totally random comedy sides, like Dukla Pumpherston, the Bolivian women's side, Deportivo Wanka, and Dundee United. England to draw each of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latino Lover Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 01/07/2024 at 23:36, Melanius Mullarkey said: Ditch all this 3rd place shite. 16 teams. Some amount of shite going through. Reminds me of the Welsh tourney when they shatfest there way to the semis. What an abomination of a tournament that was. They beat more sides in 90 minutes in the knock out stage, than Portugal managed in the whole thing so hardly shit fest. Beat fancied Belgium with a game to spare. Portugal were a third place then too, as we finalists Argentina and Italy from the 90/94 wc’s with the same format. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Let’s be honest, the knockout stages have been shite, whereas the opening week was enjoyable. Four groups of 6 teams, play 5 matches each over 2 weeks, hunners of matches each day. Group winners qualify for the semi finals. More of a carnival of football and partying. The whole thing wrapped up in 3 weeks. Once you’re into the knockouts currently with days off in between matches it’s completely lost any momentum so make that bit minimal. Even if teams have already been knocked out they can put on a show, how many nutmegs can they manage in their last game or how many times they can hit the crossbar. Players could be dribbling the ball with a can in one hand and kebab in the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 They could make it like the champions league where teams aren’t even in groups but are grouped in one big group. And play against each other in groups. Groups. Weird word really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Slight aside but the current Copa America format annoyed me a bit as well, Argentina and Canada played in the same group and met again in the semi final last night, in a 16 team tournament with 2 going through from each group it should be easy enough to ensure that teams from same group can't meet again until the final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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