Detournement Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Glen Sannox said: Anyone who had the misfortune of listening to Any Questions on Radio 4 last night, will have had it confirmed why there is no point in Labour anymore. An astonishingly bad performance by Labour MP Chi Onwura. Still not remotely getting why people in North East England voted Conservative. She had an absolute shitemare and was rightly ridiculed. They talk of little else but Radio 4's 'Any Questions' in the Red Wall. As Mixu said the switch to the Tories in those seats is reflects a change in the employment status of the electorate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 There's also been an exodus of young people from the towns into cities for employment opportunities. Labour are fucked lol and country more so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 7 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Because pensioners have been radicalised by messaging on facebook that appeals to their innate senses of xenophobia and spite. Working folk voted labour in those places. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkee Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I won't read 253 pages to catch up but Labour are a fucking disgrace. The party of abstention that I used to vote for back when they actually had a purpose. They obviously do realise that by abstaining they are actually helping the Tories. Do they care, no they fucking don't. Too happy taking their pay cheque every month and are living the life. Starmer, don't get me started on that fuckwit. At least Corby had some ideals, Sir Kier Starmer don't make me laugh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 hours ago, MixuFruit said: I'm less convinced this is bad for Labour. The tories were shocked by less than dominating polling in quite a few constituencies in 2017. This was driven by young people who couldn't afford to live in central London, central Manchester, moving out into what were traditionally considered tory shires & bringing with them socially liberal views. If you make the assumption that WFH is now a permanent feature of many people's lives to the extent that they are moving in numbers from cities to rural constituencies (which they seem to be doing), that's going to change the demographics of an unknown number of places. In 5 years time with the aforementioned differential attrition rate experienced by pensioners and people in their 30s and 40s, I think there's a lot more to play for in England (perhaps also in Scotland depending on your perspective) than we might think. Mind the boundary changes are due to come in 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: What'll that do? It's the Tories. What do you expect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I won't read 253 pages to catch up but Labour are a fucking disgrace. The party of abstention that I used to vote for back when they actually had a purpose. They obviously do realise that by abstaining they are actually helping the Tories. Do they care, no they fucking don't. Too happy taking their pay cheque every month and are living the life. Starmer, don't get me started on that fuckwit. At least Corby had some ideals, Sir Kier Starmer don't make me laugh!Elton John found 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 20:13, NotThePars said: There's also been an exodus of young people from the towns into cities for employment opportunities. Labour are fucked lol and country England more so. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkee Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 12/10/2020 at 11:09, CambieBud said: Elton John found Yer point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CambieBud Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yer point?The rant at the end, while I agree wholeheartedly, just reminded me of Elton’s rant about Madonna receiving some live act of the year award. He screamed ‘ Madonna? Best live act!!’n Don’t make me laugh!!!’Just made me smile 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkee Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 9 hours ago, CambieBud said: The rant at the end, while I agree wholeheartedly, just reminded me of Elton’s rant about Madonna receiving some live act of the year award. He screamed ‘ Madonna? Best live act!!’n Don’t make me laugh!!!’ Just made me smile See now I get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Another great day for Labour https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/10/exclusive-dan-carden-resigns-from-labour-frontbench-over-chis-bill 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Broke - Culture Reviews Woke - Cultural Revolutions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/06/labour-state-violence-opposition-bill-undercover-agents?fbclid=IwAR3EMFzhGbqdqmb0zZISyasNNN2_R40olVIKGFF0UYDquTPBNUdjkzjCLSE It may not impact us as we have control over our own policing. But make no mistake. If Labour or the Tories ever gained a foothold in Scotland, it would be happening here as well. Edited October 15, 2020 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/06/labour-state-violence-opposition-bill-undercover-agents?fbclid=IwAR3EMFzhGbqdqmb0zZISyasNNN2_R40olVIKGFF0UYDquTPBNUdjkzjCLSE It may not impact us as we have control over our own policing. But make no mistake. If Labour or the Tories ever gained a foothold in Scotland, it would be happening here as well. There should be a clear distinction between working undercover in something like the Islamic State or right wing extremists planning murder, or serious organized crime groups, and the likes of Extinction Rebellion whose most radical acts cause minor inconveniences. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Quick query: Does this bill exempt undercover agents being prosecuted under Scots law or has that been forgotten about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 6 hours ago, BawWatchin said: It may not impact us as we have control over our own policing. But make no mistake. If Labour or the Tories ever gained a foothold in Scotland, it would be happening here as well. 15 minutes ago, tamthebam said: Quick query: Does this bill exempt undercover agents being prosecuted under Scots law or has that been forgotten about? Schedule 1 of the Bill makes the amendments to the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (Scotland) Act 2000. Whilst policing is devolved, UK national security is not. It's yet another reason to get out of the UK shitshow. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Well, that's 254 pages into this thread now. Has anyone yet identified the point of Labour? I'm beginning to think there isn't one tbqh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 The forensic human rights lawyer isn't even capable of making a contribution on a bill to legalise state sponsored murder beyond whipping his MPs to abstain. The argument being that they'll lose anyway and don't want to be seen as weak on national security, so they should ignore the principle that the state (Food Standards Agency included) shouldn't be allowed to murder people and police shouldn't be allowed to commit crimes in the course of infiltrating trade unions. Then the Tories obviously hammer them for that weakness because they abstained anyway, which apparently Starmer forensically failed to see coming. What's the fucking point? He's comfortably both more spineless and incompetent than Miliband. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, BawWatchin said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/06/labour-state-violence-opposition-bill-undercover-agents?fbclid=IwAR3EMFzhGbqdqmb0zZISyasNNN2_R40olVIKGFF0UYDquTPBNUdjkzjCLSE It may not impact us as we have control over our own policing. But make no mistake. If Labour or the Tories ever gained a foothold in Scotland, it would be happening here as well. It does happen here, some years back in Inverness we had a drugs bust concerning a few citizens, by intelligence monitoring the drug squad ascertained that one of the women was in a rocky relationship with one of the male suspects, a young undercover officer suddenly appeared at various pubs and parties the young woman attended, soon he became intimate and a confidant for her and you know how it all turned out. Edited October 16, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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