Crùbag Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Saw in the stooshie over the Elgin Marbles that Labour would back the Tories, no surprise there, and keep them in Great backward Britain. Since when was retaining the proceeds of plunder a central plank of social justice/ socialism? Surely it should be fairly easy to say 'Yes, we'll return the stolen cultural wealth to where it belongs'? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 They should be returned to Elgin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Elgin should be returned to Greece. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Elgin should be returned to Greece. No the marbles should be sent to India and Greece can have the Koh-i-nor! *************** On a more general note it is clear that Labour is going to match each Tory step between now and the next GE, I feel the period since Truss imploded has been a missed opportunity for them and that Labour would have been better off in terms of representing traditional Labour values and in electoral terms by trying to halt the rightwards march at this point as I don't think the people they're pandering to will vote Labour in the end and that the pledges made in the meantime will hinder them if/when they do win. Edited November 28, 2023 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 "Elgin City loses their marbles" I can see it now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Crùbag said: Saw in the stooshie over the Elgin Marbles that Labour would back the Tories, no surprise there, and keep them in Great backward Britain. Since when was retaining the proceeds of plunder a central plank of social justice/ socialism? Surely it should be fairly easy to say 'Yes, we'll return the stolen cultural wealth to where it belongs'? I heard on the radio yesterday that Starmer would be happy to lend them to Greece indefinitely, without conceding ownership and thus not setting a precedent for all the other looted plunder. Also that the decision is in the hands of the museum, not the government, the British Museum chair being George Osborne who wants to return them. If this is all true it sounds like Sunak is preparing for a backlash when they're put on a ship to Athens in the near future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: I heard on the radio yesterday that Starmer would be happy to lend them to Greece indefinitely, without conceding ownership and thus not setting a precedent for all the other looted plunder. Also that the decision is in the hands of the museum, not the government, the British Museum chair being George Osborne who wants to return them. If this is all true it sounds like Sunak is preparing for a backlash when they're put on a ship to Athens in the near future. I think the museum would be allowed to loan them out, but not return them permanently, unless an act of Parliament is changed. Something like that anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said: I think the museum would be allowed to loan them out, but not return them permanently, unless an act of Parliament is changed. Something like that anyway. That's why it would be called a loan instead of handing them back. Presumably the museum could extend the loan ad infinitum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Apart from the fact they should definitely be returned, to allow something like that to affect meetings between country leaders is absolutely farcical, tbh it’s actually just a sad reflection on how pitiful the UK actually is. Is Sunak now our foremost statue defender? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-g Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just don’t see what all the fuss is about 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 That statue going into the Bristol river has still got gammons rattled 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 The Tories playing to their geriatric racist voters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, callum-g said: Just don’t see what all the fuss is about The Elgin Marbles are shite tbh. They're not even round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 John Oliver had a nice segment on the UK's hypocritical arseholery around stolen artifacts like the Elgin Marbles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 7 hours ago, Brother Blades said: Apart from the fact they should definitely be returned, to allow something like that to affect meetings between country leaders is absolutely farcical, tbh it’s actually just a sad reflection on how pitiful the UK actually is. Is Sunak now our foremost statue defender? It's ok. I heard on the radio earlier today that apparently the Greeks have made a magnanimous gesture of goodwill to Britain in the shape of a beautiful gift. An enormous wooden horse has been delivered to Downing Street. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 18 hours ago, welshbairn said: That's why it would be called a loan instead of handing them back. Presumably the museum could extend the loan ad infinitum. Which is a far better stance than the Tories even though ultimately I think we should just give them back anyways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 https://unherd.com/2023/11/did-labour-rig-its-selection-votes/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: The Elgin Marbles are shite tbh. They're not even round It gets worse: Portsoy marble isn't even marble. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Everybody is really careful about this as it's a test case: obviously they should go back, but if they do, every museum in every country could be emptied of stuff from abroad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 19 hours ago, KirkieRR said: Everybody is really careful about this as it's a test case: obviously they should go back, but if they do, every museum in every country could be emptied of stuff from abroad. Yes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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