What is the point of labour ?

[Thane of Cawdor]

4 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Well done Cive.  Keef will be pissed mind you.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/16/idea-of-monarchy-as-symbol-of-duty-or-sacrifice-a-lie-says-labours-clive-lewis

I thought (naively it seems) that Lewis was a good bet for future leader of the Labour Party. Given the state of the current party, and Lewis's occasional silly lapses, this seems like a hopelessly optimistic view of his chances.  He should have ticked a lot of boxes with disparate elements of the Party and the electorate, including: a non-privileged background; of mixed race origin; having worn the Queen's uniform; and, most importantly, retaining some vestiges of Socialism in his political philosophy.

It now transpires, that of all of these characteristics, the one most likely to stifle his progress in the current Labour Party is the Socialist bit. Funny old world, innit?  

[Granny Danger]

8 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said:

I thought (naively it seems) that Lewis was a good bet for future leader of the Labour Party. Given the state of the current party, and Lewis's occasional silly lapses, this seems like a hopelessly optimistic view of his chances.  He should have ticked a lot of boxes with disparate elements of the Party and the electorate, including: a non-privileged background; of mixed race origin; having worn the Queen's uniform; and, most importantly, retaining some vestiges of Socialism in his political philosophy.

It now transpires, that of all of these characteristics, the one most likely to stifle his progress in the current Labour Party is the Socialist bit. Funny old world, innit?  

Aye I thought he could be a future leader and still do.  If the Labour Party can swing from Corbyn to Stramer they can maybe swing part of the way back.

[Granny Danger]

This could be interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/17/keir-starmer-labour-party-conference-pay-picketing-jeremy-corbyn

Some senior figures are now backing calls for proportional representation. Labour’s affiliated unions had been a barrier to the party supporting a change, but several are now in favour of moving away from the current voting system.

High-profile figures such as the Greater Manchester mayor, Andy Burnham, spoke out in the summer in support of a change. Writing in the Observer, he said it would allow more cooperation between political parties on urgently needed social reform.

A similar motion on proportional representation was defeated last year, but supporters say that opposition has softened further since then and more unions have backed a change.

[Granny Danger]

This guy was originally a Labour MP; this comment typifies the “fùck the poor” attitude.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, said: “We should not allow anything to overshadow the most important event the world will ever see and that’s the funeral of Her Majesty.”

[BFTD]

11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

This guy was originally a Labour MP; this comment typifies the “fùck the poor” attitude.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, said: “We should not allow anything to overshadow the most important event the world will ever see and that’s the funeral of Her Majesty.”

I still cannot fathom what was going through his mind to actually utter those words, even if it's something he genuinely believes due to having a completely insane worldview and bizarre sense of priority.

Still, with the lunacy that's gripped England, maybe he'll end up the next Prime Minister on the back of it.

[Mark Connolly]

32 minutes ago, BFTD said:

I still cannot fathom what was going through his mind to actually utter those words, even if it's something he genuinely believes due to having a completely insane worldview and bizarre sense of priority.

Still, with the lunacy that's gripped England, maybe he'll end up the next Prime Minister on the back of it.

He constantly comes across as a man absolutely desperate for a peerage

[Salt n Vinegar]

54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

This guy was originally a Labour MP; this comment typifies the “fùck the poor” attitude.

Speaking on Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, said: “We should not allow anything to overshadow the most important event the world will ever see and that’s the funeral of Her Majesty.”

I'd rather that someone perfected the generation of electricity by fusion than watch the funeral TBH. 

Or, on a related matter, an announcement that the climate crisis has been solved. 

Or that Rangers would win the League this season. 

Or that Raith Rovers would win the Championship. 

Or that Putin had "fallen out of a window". 

In fact, if I was to sit down and really think about it for long enough, watching the Queen's funeral probably wouldn't make it into the top thousand things I'd like to see. 

Hoyle certainly doesn't speak for me on that issue. 

[San Starko Rover]

Future school text books of the  greatest moments in human history 

1. 96 year old has funeral

2. World hunger ended

3. World peace 

4. End of disease 

 

 

[Clown Job]

Party of the working class 

 

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Party of the working class 

 

Hopefully there’s some Dundee United fans there..,

[Antlion]

Whereas only failed Labour MPs benefit from a Labour government, isn’t that right, m’lord?

[Ginaro]

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Whereas only failed Labour MPs benefit from a Labour government, isn’t that right, m’lord?

He obviously forgot Glasgow City Council spending £1.5 million to oppose equal pay - when it was run by Labour.

Stones and glass houses.

[Granny Danger]

PR again it momentum.  Labour really needs to take note.

such a move would remove the possibility of another far-right Johnson/Truss style government.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/22/majority-of-uk-public-agree-with-liberal-views-on-race-and-sexual-identity-annual-poll

Support for change in the UK voting system?
There was majority public support for the introduction of a proportional representation system for voting MPs into the House of Commons for the first time since the survey began in 1983. Just over half (51%) favoured reform, up from 27% in 2011). While a majority of Labour voters supported PR (61%) only 29% of conservatives favoured electoral reform.

 

[williemillersmoustache]

Listening to Angela Rayner on some podcast telling us how whether people would be able to eat or heat themselves this winter "suddenly paled into insignificance" when she was handed a note saying "the Queen was unwell." 

I know it's unfair but to hear that accent just bow and scrape and lick the shite covered heels of aristocracy and privilege at direct cost to actual people, rips my knitting. Mental. 

[Clown Job]

9 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

Listening to Angela Rayner on some podcast telling us how whether people would be able to eat or heat themselves this winter "suddenly paled into insignificance" when she was handed a note saying "the Queen was unwell." 

I know it's unfair but to hear that accent just bow and scrape and lick the shite covered heels of aristocracy and privilege at direct cost to actual people, rips my knitting. Mental. 

I see she also supports FPTP

[williemillersmoustache]

2 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

I see she also supports FPTP

Yeah was just about to add that. It would really help her fight to be taken seriously if she would just stop being so fick. 

On PR she was at a hastily scribbled crayon level of understanding.  

[doulikefish]

House of Lords reform klaxon 

[Thane of Cawdor]

11 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

PR again it momentum.  Labour really needs to take note.

such a move would remove the possibility of another far-right Johnson/Truss style government.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/sep/22/majority-of-uk-public-agree-with-liberal-views-on-race-and-sexual-identity-annual-poll

Support for change in the UK voting system?
There was majority public support for the introduction of a proportional representation system for voting MPs into the House of Commons for the first time since the survey began in 1983. Just over half (51%) favoured reform, up from 27% in 2011). While a majority of Labour voters supported PR (61%) only 29% of conservatives favoured electoral reform.

 

Tory voters will be strongly in favour of some form of PR after they get destroyed in the 2024 General Election.  I thought FPTP was a superb system after the 1997 election - and I'm fairly confident you did too.

[BFTD]

22 minutes ago, Thane of Cawdor said:

Tory voters will be strongly in favour of some form of PR after they get destroyed in the 2024 General Election.  I thought FPTP was a superb system after the 1997 election - and I'm fairly confident you did too.

I can't imagine the Conservatives ever being in favour of PR. Putting aside that they're the party of resistance to change (when it suits them), no matter how hard they get shafted at an election, history indicates they're only a few years away from another long stretch in complete control.

They don't even have to worry about having dynamic, powerful leaders anymore. Since the hilarious run of William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith, and Michael Howard, we've had Cameron, May, Johnson, and now the new nadir of Liz Truss. It appears that Britain has just decided to accept them being ineffectual in the desperate scramble for loose change from the top table.