What is the point of labour ?

[SandyCromarty]

Prepare to be proved wrong, Labour historically self destruct as part of their DNA and that will be just as it was whether now or in the future.

Jeremy Corbyn and his cohorts are very prominent in the background as well you know and they await their moment

Starmer obviously will present his united front but the wiser voter has seen all the shenanigans in the past with the party which lost it's purpose and drive to defend the working class a very long time ago.

[oneteaminglasgow]

Do you just charge about the forum being intentionally wrong about things, Sandy?

Starmer has set about making sure that left wing principles, and left wing politicians, cannot have any influence within the PLP. The idea that the handful of left wingers left in the Labour Party, and one who isn’t in it anymore, will be able to overcome the interests of the centrists and right wingers is laughable. They couldn’t even overcome them when Corbyn was in charge for fucks sake.

We’re stuck with right wing c***s or right wing c***s in a different tie 

[Bully Wee Villa]

4 hours ago, SandyCromarty said:

Jeremy Corbyn, Dianne Abbot, McDonnel etc etc etc and the rest of the hard left will see Starmer off.

There's as much chance as there is of Vladimir Putin being removed from power by the Ulster Unionists.

[SandyCromarty]

Aside from the hard left faction I  mentioned, and bearing in mind the main financial labour party funding comes from Trade Unions, trade union leaders have openly criticised Starmer on his failure to support striking workers, supporting strikers is an absolute fundamental issue and basis for the Labour Party. Raynes tried to smooth the waters at the  recent TUC but discontent simmers.

As a BTW my close relative and a senior political figure met with Rayner and Gove in Southampton a couple of months back, Rayner was not very amenable and Gove was as you would expect answering in questionable riddles.

[Granny Danger]

9 minutes ago, SandyCromarty said:

Aside from the hard left faction I  mentioned, and bearing in mind the main financial labour party funding comes from Trade Unions, trade union leaders have openly criticised Starmer on his failure to support striking workers, supporting strikers is an absolute fundamental issue and basis for the Labour Party. Raynes tried to smooth the waters at the  recent TUC but discontent simmers.

As a BTW my close relative and a senior political figure met with Rayner and Gove in Southampton a couple of months back, Rayner was not very amenable and Gove was as you would expect answering in questionable riddles.

Two problems with that ‘analysis’.

The first is that the trade union movement these days is protectionist and little else.  There was a time where they tried to influence wider political debate but years of being marginalised and ignored have limited them.  They might go through the motions but it’s mainly posturing.  There’s probably also quite a few right wingers in the trade union movement who are only interested in their own little empires and will probably be aligned with Starmer politically.

The second is that the trade union movement have nowhere else to go politically if they stop supporting Labour financially.  Labour should be their natural home but for those trade unions on the left who might even consider withholding funding where would they put their money?

I also believe that Starmer would be quite happy to reduce, and eventually remove, any financial dependency on the unions.  I’m sure there would be a consortium of big businesses willing to fill the void; we’ve seen that already through sponsorship at their conferences.  Then it would be USA mark II, both main political parties funded by big business.

 

[Wee-Bey]

Starmer is far more likely to be removed by his own faction rather than any 'hard left' one.

The idea that the left hold significant sway in the PLP is laughable. There's been an ongoing process of regaining control and removing any left influence since Starmer took over, filtering through to all levels of the party.

Private donations now outstrip Union contributions to the coffers, and the gap will likely increase.

[SandyCromarty]

With Hussains front bench departure this am Chris Mason reports that so far 58 MP's have expressed dissatisfaction with the leadership.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just stop the internet. Now. Please.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

4 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Just stop the internet. Now. Please.

[doulikefish]

Hearing labour are about to score an own goal shortly to deflect it all away from dodgy daves return 

[Salt n Vinegar]

2 hours ago, doulikefish said:

Hearing labour are about to score an own goal shortly to deflect it all away from dodgy daves return 

Drum roll.....

[Bully Wee Villa]

This?

 

[Trogdor]

48 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said:

This?

That would be a monumental OG. Just leave it as a matter of conscience, don't punish people for wanting a ceasefire. An end to the fighting is not an unreasonable position to hold. 

[Bully Wee Villa]

Quite. Even ignoring the obvious morally repugnant side to it, it would be a ridiculous move politically.

[Dunning1874]

Jackie Baillie has said, in the same interview, that she and Scottish Labour support a ceasefire but also that the SNP tabling a vote calling for a ceasefire is "game playing".

Reprehensible.

[coprolite]

On 08/11/2023 at 07:30, SandyCromarty said:

Jeremy Corbyn, Dianne Abbot, McDonnel etc etc etc and the rest of the hard left will see Starmer off.

[Salt n Vinegar]

18 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

Jackie Baillie has said, in the same interview, that she and Scottish Labour support a ceasefire but also that the SNP tabling a vote calling for a ceasefire is "game playing".

Reprehensible.

So if "Scottish" Labour are in favour of a ceasefire, and presuming that Labour MPs representing Scottish constituencies are members of Scottish Labour, if Starmer disciplines any of them (sorry, either of them) who vote for a ceasefire, Scottish Labour should collectively tell Starmer to go fek himself.  (Of course, "Scottish" Labour will do no such thing.)

The saddest thing about the Sunak/ Cameron/ Braverman/ Truss/ Cleverly/ McVey keechfest is that so many voters in Scotland are perfectly happy to risk the UK voters returning these creeps into Government every 5 years.  

Sunak is now trying to reposition the Tories. He's got both the softy Cameron and the anti-woke (whatever that means) McVey trying to make the party appear like all things to all people.  Don't for a minute think the next general election is a done deal.  Wokewars won't stop.

[oneteaminglasgow]

2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:

Jackie Baillie has said, in the same interview, that she and Scottish Labour support a ceasefire but also that the SNP tabling a vote calling for a ceasefire is "game playing".

Reprehensible.

It’s ok to believe things, but not ok to try to act on them in any way. 

[Dunning1874]

2 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

It’s ok to believe things, but not ok to try to act on them in any way. 

I couldn't think of a better summation of Scottish Labour in general tbh. Not quite good enough for Starmer's Labour in 2023 though, because believing anything that puts you to the left of David Cameron isn't okay either.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Dunning1874

[DeeTillEhDeh]

On 08/11/2023 at 08:21, Granny Danger said:

If only…

Jeremy Corbyn is no longer a Labour MP.

Starmer has done everything in his power to marginalise the fairly small number of existing Labour MPs on the ‘left’.

There will be a huge number of new Labour MPs elected at the next GE, few if any will be on the left because Starmer and Labour’s National Executive have made sure that the selection processes have been fixed that way.

After the next GE ‘left’ Labour MPs will be so few in number and influence their only ‘power’ will be to embarrass Starmer on issues but the size of the Labour majority will be such that it won’t really matter.

 

As I said, possibly the worst take in a long time.

 

It won't be the Labour Left that bring him down but backstabbers in his own wing of the Party.