JS_FFC Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 5 minutes ago, HTG said: I never said he hadn't. Let's see what his alternative commitment looks like. Also, Starmer has extensive form for making pledges he then backs out of. Why does there need to be an alternative though? Can't he just scrap the scheme and not replace it with anything? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 9 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: Why does there need to be an alternative though? Can't he just scrap the scheme and not replace it with anything? I assume he fancies more than one term, and he'll be massively unpopular if he doesn't punish the imergants somehow. Total open goal for monsters like Braverman and Badenoch to build support through. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, BFTD said: I assume he fancies more than one term, and he'll be massively unpopular if he doesn't punish the imergants somehow. Total open goal for monsters like Braverman and Badenoch to build support through. Well clearly the small boats need to be stopped. You’d be mad to think otherwise. The right want them stopped because they want to reduce net migration figures especially among the unskilled, and the left want them stopped because vulnerable people are drowning in the channel on a regular basis. IMO the solution is to sit down with the French and agree a treaty where the French agree to much stronger enforcement against the operators of the small boats at Calais, in return for the UK agreeing to take our fair share of refugees who arrive here through a safe and legal route. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 41 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: Well clearly the small boats need to be stopped. You’d be mad to think otherwise. The right want them stopped because they want to reduce net migration figures especially among the unskilled, and the left want them stopped because vulnerable people are drowning in the channel on a regular basis. IMO the solution is to sit down with the French and agree a treaty where the French agree to much stronger enforcement against the operators of the small boats at Calais, in return for the UK agreeing to take our fair share of refugees who arrive here through a safe and legal route. The Conservatives have no interest in stopping boat crossings; it suits them to a tee. They've been deliberately blocking routes for refugees to enter the UK safely so we'd end up in this position. It remains to be seen what Labour want, but they'll certainly have to deal with the fallout of years of anti-immigrant rhetoric. Whether they also decide to try harnessing the beast, or start working to allay the public's fears, who can say - certainly not them at the moment. One's a lot easier than the other though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Well clearly the small boats need to be stopped. You’d be mad to think otherwise. The right want them stopped because they want to reduce net migration figures especially among the unskilled, and the left want them stopped because vulnerable people are drowning in the channel on a regular basis. IMO the solution is to sit down with the French and agree a treaty where the French agree to much stronger enforcement against the operators of the small boats at Calais, in return for the UK agreeing to take our fair share of refugees who arrive here through a safe and legal route. There isn't a safe and legal route into the UK just now - at least not one that people fleeing their own govt can use. The very obvious thing to do is to create one - in co-operation with the French and to resource the Home Office to effectively process claims to asylum. Has Starmer pledged anything like that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 From a while ago, but GB Energy appears to be a bit of a con trick: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 53 minutes ago, HTG said: There isn't a safe and legal route into the UK just now - at least not one that people fleeing their own govt can use. The very obvious thing to do is to create one - in co-operation with the French and to resource the Home Office to effectively process claims to asylum. Has Starmer pledged anything like that? The lack of a safe and legal route is perhaps understandable given that we are (A) An island, and (B) Not geographically close to any war zones. Having said that, I do think one should be created. The very obvious solution to stop the boats is to agree to allow a certain number of asylum seekers into the UK in return for France taking responsibility for stopping the boats. The French should be clamping down on both the demand side (by providing a more welcoming environment for asylum seekers) and supply side (by massively clamping down on the people trafficking scumbags operating these small boats and handing out huge penalties to those responsible). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 It's perfectly legal to seek asylum in the UK. You don't need to seek asylum in the first country you come across. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 The safe and legal route is to arrive in UK territory and claim asylum. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: The lack of a safe and legal route is perhaps understandable given that we are (A) An island, and (B) Not geographically close to any war zones. Having said that, I do think one should be created. The very obvious solution to stop the boats is to agree to allow a certain number of asylum seekers into the UK in return for France taking responsibility for stopping the boats. The French should be clamping down on both the demand side (by providing a more welcoming environment for asylum seekers) and supply side (by massively clamping down on the people trafficking scumbags operating these small boats and handing out huge penalties to those responsible). Yes, please, I want to see UK ministers travelling to France to lecture them on not providing a welcoming environment for asylum seekers! The idea that neighbouring countries should be responsible for asylum is frankly embarrassing and "I'm alright Jack" philosophy on a global scale. UK government policy has literally been to create a "hostile environment" for migrants to put anybody off coming here. Will this change under Labour? We'll see, but I'm guessing not considering it's been normalised here now and the electorate will absolutely excoriate them if they don't continue in the same vein. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) 4 hours ago, JS_FFC said: Well clearly the small boats need to be stopped. You’d be mad to think otherwise. The right want them stopped because they want to reduce net migration figures especially among the unskilled, and the left want them stopped because vulnerable people are drowning in the channel on a regular basis. IMO the solution is to sit down with the French and agree a treaty where the French agree to much stronger enforcement against the operators of the small boats at Calais, in return for the UK agreeing to take our fair share of refugees who arrive here through a safe and legal route. Exactly..there is a world of a difference between the Tories ridiculous Rwanda 'scheme' and planning both a renegotiation with the EU and France in particular, next year over Channel crossings, and, with a Border Patrol, going after the criminals who are exploiting vulnerable people, while also taking a fair share of refugees. As is the case with approaches to Education, Energy, Workers Rights, Health, Housing, and public services in general, there are clear dividing lines between Labour and Tory. The Tories will probably try National Service next..oh wait. Edited May 25 by Jedi2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 He's a hypocrite 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 "Our company doesn't pay Living Wage so we can campaign for a better Living Wage" What a c**t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 'I've nothing to do with the day to day running of the company, I merely take a share of the profits'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Its not like this is "new" detail about Sarwar either - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41372373 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Love are Country .Party. Family and the darts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 30 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Love are Country .Party. Family and the darts. County first, Partick second? Hedging his bets.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 46 minutes ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Love are Country .Party. Family and the darts. He's going to be such a shite prime minister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 3 hours ago, GTG_03 said: He's going to be such a shite prime minister. Shite would be a big improvement on what we've had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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