Swarley Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I see they are doing no extra time straight to penalties in the Copa. I'd expect everyone else to follow suit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 3 hours ago, Chripper said: A big part of the problem is the lack of genuine out-and-out number 9s. Take the semi finals of this Euros. The projected attacking players will be: Yamal, Morata, Williams; Mbappé, Griezmann Muari; Malen, Depay, Gakpo; Bellingham, Kane, Foden. Out of those twelve, only two (Kane and Morata) are strikers. The other ten are no 10s, inside forwards and outside forwards. Not to diminish your point particularly, but Morata is suspended for the semi final I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, throbber said: The thing about this tournament is that we’re at the semi stage and there’s not been a defining moment of the tournament ie something that we’ll remember it by in 20 years time. 2010 might have been a shit World Cup for example but you had Lampards goal that never was or the Suarez handball on the line all before the semi final. Maybe Jude Bellinghams overhead equaliser might count but it surely looses some points as it was against Slovakia. But Suarez' handball doesn't because it was against Ghana? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Diamond For Me Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 1 hour ago, parsforlife said: As well as @Skyline Drifter point about corporate tickets I also think with TV audiences massively increasing there's become a massive movement of fanboys that are fans of individuals or leagues as much as teams. Like that poster on here years ago who was - or who purported to be - a fan of specifically Colin Nish and went to watch whichever club he was signed for. It was ages ago, and I can't remember if it was an elaborate "character" account for jests and japes of if they were genuinely a fanatical fan of Colin Nish, of all people. Checked his wiki to see if there was anything about some creepy stalker bothering him and it turns out Nish himself was convicted of assaulting his former partner last year. What a p***k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 4 minutes ago, A Diamond For Me said: Like that poster on here years ago who was - or who purported to be - a fan of specifically Colin Nish and went to watch whichever club he was signed for. It was ages ago, and I can't remember if it was an elaborate "character" account for jests and japes of if they were genuinely a fanatical fan of Colin Nish, of all people. I remember that, it was genuine despite how mental it seems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chripper Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 (edited) 3 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: Not to diminish your point particularly, but Morata is suspended for the semi final I think. Oh really? D'oh! Blame Sofascore for that Intel. Edit: Despite reports he was booked, he actually wasn't. Phew! https://talksport.com/football/1953775/alvaro-morata-not-suspended-france-euro-2024-semi-final/ Edited July 8 by Chripper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGlovin' Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 8 hours ago, Alert Mongoose said: Was any particular reason given for this? I don't remember noticing it at the time but seems pretty incongruous now. Others have touched upon many of the the reasons but I'll chuck my tuppence worth in. As touched on, it was still the time of no or very early days of budget airlines. I'd wager that for average Romania/Bulgarian/Russian etc the cost of flights, accommodation, tickets would be pretty steep or prohibitive. Although I remember the Croatian contingent looking like they'd just demobbed...Buying tickets was seemingly quite tricky, pre-Internet it was a case of dialling a premium line phone number to make an enquiry - joke in there somewhere. There was still also the post Heysel/Hillsborough hooligan panic too, so it wasn't possible to buy tickets on the day. I think that helped dampen any hype too - with the hope that things would just pass off peacefully. English football and culture was also still in the early days of gentrification so buying a ticket in advance wasn't super common, beyond seasons. Although Euro 96 helped turbo charge what had started with Italia '90 and $sky's whole new ball game shtick , looking at the straight line of football's new found acceptability from WC 90 to Euro 96, it's easy to forget just how poor England had been at Euro 92 and them missing out entirely on WC 94. You also had the fact the English clubs were still struggling for the most part in European competitions, with success like Arsenal's in 94 being based on stout yeoman of the guard types defending bravely. There was also likely still a lack of interest and knowledge in non-English football. Football Italia had been going for a couple of years I suppose but wasn't particularly mainstream. Listening back on some of the commentary for the tournament, the Brit telly announcers are saying stuff like "Hristo Stoickhov is very highly rated and has signed for Spanish giants Barcelona." Nowadays I reckon there's an assumption that even the average viewer knows about the superstar players of most teams, they didn't really need to tell you about Jan Oblak this time. Back then I reckon there was more an attitude of why would you pay to watch Romania vs Bulgaria or Czech Rep vs Russia, even if on your doorstop, which allied to the lack of hype likely contributed the lack of fans. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Robèrt Guillaumesòn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, McGlovin' said: Others have touched upon many of the the reasons but I'll chuck my tuppence worth in. As touched on, it was still the time of no or very early days of budget airlines. I'd wager that for average Romania/Bulgarian/Russian etc the cost of flights, accommodation, tickets would be pretty steep or prohibitive. Although I remember the Croatian contingent looking like they'd just demobbed...Buying tickets was seemingly quite tricky, pre-Internet it was a case of dialling a premium line phone number to make an enquiry - joke in there somewhere. There was still also the post Heysel/Hillsborough hooligan panic too, so it wasn't possible to buy tickets on the day. I think that helped dampen any hype too - with the hope that things would just pass off peacefully. English football and culture was also still in the early days of gentrification so buying a ticket in advance wasn't super common, beyond seasons. Although Euro 96 helped turbo charge what had started with Italia '90 and $sky's whole new ball game shtick , looking at the straight line of football's new found acceptability from WC 90 to Euro 96, it's easy to forget just how poor England had been at Euro 92 and them missing out entirely on WC 94. You also had the fact the English clubs were still struggling for the most part in European competitions, with success like Arsenal's in 94 being based on stout yeoman of the guard types defending bravely. There was also likely still a lack of interest and knowledge in non-English football. Football Italia had been going for a couple of years I suppose but wasn't particularly mainstream. Listening back on some of the commentary for the tournament, the Brit telly announcers are saying stuff like "Hristo Stoickhov is very highly rated and has signed for Spanish giants Barcelona." Nowadays I reckon there's an assumption that even the average viewer knows about the superstar players of most teams, they didn't really need to tell you about Jan Oblak this time. Back then I reckon there was more an attitude of why would you pay to watch Romania vs Bulgaria or Czech Rep vs Russia, even if on your doorstop, which allied to the lack of hype likely contributed the lack of fans. That's all fair enough, but still, there were 10,000 empty seats in Old Trafford for the Czech Republic v France semi final. They didn't sell out Elland Road for France v Spain in the group stage. That's amazing today - there were more than 50 million ticket requests for the 2.3 million public tickets for Euro 2024. As others have mentioned the cost of flights has fallen dramatically, and relative to income the cost of accommodation has too. But I think the bigger factor is gentrification, with the middle class getting into football in a way that never happened before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 30 minutes ago, Cheese said: Robèrt Guillaumesòn I'm sure the sponsors and organisers love that. I'll be at a game tomorrow night, I'm not wasting time watching some of the best players in the world attempt to shitfest a 1-0. If France or England are in the final I'll go for a walk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latino Lover Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Re euro 96 I was 13 at the time and my season ticket at St James’ couldn’t have been much more than £150 - I distinctly remember it being £80 ish in 92/93 but that was the championship or division 1 as it was known then. Anyway tickets for my same seat here were about £25 which was a fortune at the time. I queued up round the block for free tickets from the local paper but it wasn’t to be. Anyway I think pre internet there was a lot less of just going for the sake of going, and to say you’ve been etc unless you were really bothered. the euros at that point were maybe yet to explode as well, at least in the uk. I’d argue for years now it’s been viewed as almost equal to the World Cup, maybe that’s dropped off a bit lately due to expansion. Certainly watching highlights of Euro 92 when it was repeated during lockdown it just felt like some twee exhibition at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Hopefully Yamal's goal will be the defining moment of this tournament. While it has been poor for the most part, I suppose we may look back on it in the future as the beginning of this new Spain side. Otherwise, it'll be remembered for unthinkable reasons... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 On 08/07/2024 at 15:32, throbber said: I think the new format is shit - you shouldn’t be able to qualify from the group stages if you have lost 2 games and then it throws the knockout stages off balance, was much easier when you knew it was winner of group a v runner up of group b etc. I think penalties straight after 90 minutes would be a good shout as well so it doesn’t add further fatigue to the players and will encourage more attacking during the 90 minutes. Agree on format but I think going straight to penalties will just further encourage teams to play for penalties. Maybe you could have one period of extra time that's 20 minutes long to reduce playing time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 (edited) Its not the format or anything thats made this boring, its just the way football is played now. Any "top level" game is the same, where two teams scared of giving away a chance pass the ball sideways endlessly "probing" (terrified) and its stale pish. Every tournament will be like this until someone steps up, has success with a free flowing attacking style, and everyone jumps onto that particular bandwagon. England winning the thing with a negative, safety first, approach might genuinely kill the game entirely as everyone in England will copy that and that seeps into the worldwide game. Spain winning might create sides who play with genuine wingers again. Edited July 10 by RandomGuy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 15 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Its not the format or anything thats made this boring, its just the way football is played now. Any "top level" game is the same, where two teams scared of giving away a chance pass the ball sideways endlessly "probing" (terrified) and its stale pish. Every tournament will be like this until someone steps up, has success with a free flowing attacking style, and everyone jumps onto that particular bandwagon. England winning the thing with a negative, safety first, approach might genuinely kill the game entirely as everyone in England will copy that and that seeps into the worldwide game. Spain winning might create sides who play with genuine wingers again. The 1982 world cup is often presented as defining for exactly this reason. The Brazil team was obviously feted for their entertaining football but the fact they lost meant they changed their style to a more pragmatic approach. Imagine if they'd won it, it would have defined football for a generation, instead of fucking Italy winning it. Anyway. Spain winning it this year would certainly shift the narrative away from this being a dull tournament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) The Group stages of these tournaments are aways dull and in this case 36 games to eliminate 8 (fairly predictable) teams was almost bound to make Euro24 the dullest of all as the thread title suggests. Solution - don't watch the Group Stages and skip to the knockout phase! Edited July 11 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 11/07/2024 at 17:37, btb said: Solution - don't watch the Group Stages and skip to the knockout phase! The next World Cup will have an extra 16 knockout games. Extremely big group stage to avoid though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 There are more games in next WC's knockouts (32) than for an entire 16 team Euros (31). There are more games in next WC's groups (72) than in every groupstage from 1930 to 1958 inclusive (71). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 That's far, far too many games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I say this after every international tournament, but hopefully this Euros was the last one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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