Savage Henry Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 England could probably declare now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Ireland are shite at Test cricket, eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 20 hours ago, Boo Khaki said: Nowhere near for me. The numbers are huge, but they play far more Tests these days than they once did, and he has always struggled in places where the ball doesn't move in the air. The genuine greats were great in all conditions and on all surfaces and had more than one string to their bow. He also routinely got splattered all over the place in limited overs internationals. He's had a great career, especially in the context of how ropey the first 5 years or so were, but I don't believe he's the same calibre of bowler as the genuine greats. I'd say that just in the time I've watched Test cricket, Holding, Roberts, Marshall, Lillee, Hadlee, Donald, Wasim, McGrath, and possibly Ambrose and Walsh were better. I'm talking in terms of talent and ability and who I'd throw the ball to under any and all circumstances, not weight of numbers. I'd personally put Anderson in the next rung down, i.e. very good but not genuinely 'all time great', with the likes of Imran, Pollock, Waqar, and so on. I think the nature of Test cricket has changed a lot over the past 30 years or so, so perhaps it isn't realistic to compare current era players with those whose careers were largely prior to the turn of the millennium. I'm not convinced that bowling and taking wickets is either easier, or more difficult than it used to be, because I think you can make arguments for both cases, but it certainly feels that on top of just playing more cricket, there are more results, shorter games, and numbers are generally higher across the board, so perhaps it's a bit apples and oranges. I don't think Anderson is the best of all time, I do think he is an all-time great, though, and worthy of his place in the discussion. Longevity is a factor that should be considered as well, and Anderson is probably better in his 40s than he was in his 20s. I do think the struggled away from home element is overstated. Here is his record by country: Played In Mat O M R W 5w 10w Best Avg S/R E/R Australia 21 824.3 217 2313 68 1 0 5/43 34.01 72.75 2.81 England and Wales 101 3640.2 962 10207 429 24 3 7/42 23.79 50.91 2.80 India 13 375.4 102 997 34 0 0 4/40 29.32 66.29 2.65 New Zealand 9 319.2 74 1021 36 1 0 5/73 28.36 53.22 3.20 Pakistan 2 67.0 17 148 8 0 0 4/36 18.50 50.25 2.21 South Africa 10 385.1 75 1177 34 2 0 5/40 34.62 67.97 3.06 Sri Lanka 7 207.4 49 599 18 2 0 6/40 33.28 69.22 2.88 United Arab Emirates 6 216.0 63 452 22 0 0 4/17 20.55 58.91 2.09 West Indies 10 346.3 95 893 36 2 0 6/42 24.81 57.75 2.58 Overall (9) 179 6382.1 1654 17807 685 32 0 7/42 26.00 55.90 2.79 He hasn't done great in Aus, SA and SL, but he has held up in on the subcontinent and in the West Indies. His record in NZ does surprise me a bit, as it feels like he should have done better there given the conditions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Apologies for the double post on the same subject, but splitting his career in 2 makes for interesting analysis. 2003-2013: Year Mat O M R W 5w 10w Best Avg S/R E/R 2003 8 249.5 58 906 26 2 0 5/73 34.85 57.65 3.63 2004 3 55.1 8 219 7 0 0 4/52 31.29 47.29 3.97 2005 1 34.0 4 149 2 0 0 2/117 74.50 102.00 4.38 2006 3 94.3 20 382 8 0 0 4/40 47.75 70.88 4.04 2007 5 215.0 46 775 19 1 0 5/42 40.79 67.89 3.60 2008 11 408.5 71 1373 46 2 0 7/43 29.85 53.33 3.36 2009 13 440.5 100 1355 40 2 0 5/80 33.88 66.13 3.07 2010 12 463.0 120 1309 57 3 1 6/17 22.96 48.74 2.83 2011 7 296.2 77 870 35 1 0 5/65 24.86 50.80 2.94 2012 14 566.2 141 1416 48 1 0 5/72 29.50 70.79 2.50 2013 14 531.5 125 1655 52 3 1 5/47 31.83 61.37 3.11 Overall 91 3355.4 770 10409 340 15 3 7/42 30.61 59.22 3.10 2014-now: Year Mat O M R W 5w 10w Best Avg S/R E/R 2014 8 330.0 101 886 40 1 0 5/53 22.15 49.50 2.68 2015 11 393.3 114 1042 46 2 0 6/42 22.65 51.33 2.65 2016 12 394.1 103 973 41 3 1 5/16 23.73 57.68 2.47 2017 11 426.0 128 967 55 4 0 7/42 17.58 46.47 2.27 2018 12 391.4 113 968 43 1 0 5/20 22.51 54.65 2.47 2019 5 135.1 35 362 12 1 0 5/46 30.17 67.58 2.68 2020 6 198.0 57 471 23 2 0 5/40 20.48 51.65 2.38 2021 12 399.5 141 848 39 2 0 6/40 21.74 61.51 2.12 2022 9 293.5 76 713 36 1 0 5/60 19.81 48.97 2.43 2023 2 64.2 16 168 10 0 0 4/18 16.80 38.60 2.61 Overall 88 3026.3 884 7398 345 17 3 7/42 21.44 52.63 2.44 The second half of his career is just incredible, only 1 year where he averaged more than 24, and he missed most of that summer injured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I'm loathed to agree with Michael Vaughan but he's just hit the nail on the head. This is what happens when your all rounder can't bowl 10+ overs an innings. Your quicks lose intensity and if it isn't working for them/track isn't doing anything you start to suffer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Good stuff from Ireland, provide a morning's entertainment, then get off in time for the Cup Final 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Jack Leach has a stress fracture and will miss the Ashes, so God only knows who England will pick as a spinner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Wonder if I they'll try and get Rashid to play, I'm not sure that's the best idea though (assuming he's not injured, I have no idea) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 I’d either find a way to put Dan Lawrence in the batting order and go without a specialist spinner, splitting the spin workload between Root and Lawrence, or put Rehan Ahmed in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhys McCabe Hype Train Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Liam Dawson would be my outside pick. Habitual water carrier for England and actually decent red ball form in the Championship. Found it mental that Sky didn’t show any Blast games yesterday since the Ireland test ended early, albeit the YouTube streams from the counties is actually quite decent. But after all is that not what their “pod” is for? Hitching to the back of a Hilux and going to whatever game took their fancy? Or is it just further sticking of the Blast to the back burner to give The Hundred more publicity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Moeen Ali has reversed his retirement (I could have sworn he did that a while back), and has been included in the squad. Ali at 8 strengthens the batting and the team loses nothing from the spin department. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB1994 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Moeen Ali has reversed his retirement (I could have sworn he did that a while back), and has been included in the squad. Ali at 8 strengthens the batting and the team loses nothing from the spin department. I think he confirmed his retirement again a few months after Stokes became captain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Wrong call, imo. A 36 year old that hasn’t played red ball cricket in 2 years is not the answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said: Wrong call, imo. A 36 year old that hasn’t played red ball cricket in 2 years is not the answer. I agree but perhaps it's symptomatic of no spinners in the 20-25 age range getting a regular chance to bowl, erm, 20-25 overs in a match. The future is bite sized matches for TV/gaming industry.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Great catch from Cam Green there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 A collapse by India this morning sees them only add 70 runs for their last 7 wickets as Australia win the World Test Championship by 209 runs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggyness Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 No real surprises in the England team for the first test. The pace attack looks very samey in terms of pace especially if Stokes can't bowl consistently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 England team for the first test: I think they’ll regret leaving out Mark Wood. In the County Championship, Surrey are currently 425/3 chasing 501 against Kent. Sibley and Foakes both unbeaten beyond 100, with Jamie Smith having got a ton yesterday. If (or when, as it seems) they get there it will be just 1 short of the highest successful chase in the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Surrey get home with 5 wickets in hand. Dom Sibley with a 415 ball unbeaten 140. Mammoth innings. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 1 hour ago, die hard doonhamer said: England team for the first test: I think they’ll regret leaving out Mark Wood. In the County Championship, Surrey are currently 425/3 chasing 501 against Kent. Sibley and Foakes both unbeaten beyond 100, with Jamie Smith having got a ton yesterday. If (or when, as it seems) they get there it will be just 1 short of the highest successful chase in the competition. I think you pick the best XI with the best eleven players. England has done this. That batting lineup is as deep as they come, so I fully expect them to be all out for 123 by the middle of the afternoon session. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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