Savage Henry Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 If he's breached protocol he gets punished. You can't punish the regular players and not the marquee players as that's when 2 tiers of favouritism start and that splits the dressing room. However it wouldn't surprise me if there's been a fall out between Finn and Toony. Finn lost the plot at Toony in the Twickers dressing room at h/t last year and was proven right. However this is a perfect chance for Hastings to show what he's about as he's not a kid anymore, just like when Price stepped in for Laidlaw. If we have a poor 6N though, I really hope that action's taken and this isn't used as an excuse.Losing the plot is exaggerating somewhat. But Simon Zebo is vaguely hinting at something. “white chocolate” seems to be coda for whatever has happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 21/01/2020 at 18:45, honestly united said: From me Scotland at least are a different beast under Townsend, and very much like him as a player can either be majestic or utterly frustrating. We went i think 2 years without losing at home, a Calcutta cup win, and then a draw that have been some of hte best performances every (or the 2nd game the worst and best half of rugby ever) we've beaten everyone except NZ. But we've also been dreadfull away from home, and had a poor World Cup, so think he needs a solid 6 nations or maybe time for a change Not under Townsend we haven't. We haven't beaten South Africa, Ireland or Wales. And as you pointed out our away record is dreadful, we ship on average 3 tries and 25 points a game, and we had a rubbish world cup after attacking the first game like rabbits caught in the headlights. And now our talisman and most important player has mysteriously been shipped out. We're (sometimes) fun to watch, but under Townsend we've become a frustratingly soft touch. And that never ends well in rugby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Losing the plot is exaggerating somewhat. But Simon Zebo is vaguely hinting at something. “white chocolate” seems to be coda for whatever has happened. I think that's just zebos nickname for Russell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 5 hours ago, flyingscot said: Townsend frantically phoning Pete Horne and Duncan Weir. That just sent me scurrying around frantically to see if I can still cancel my Dublin trip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
come on shire Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Losing the plot is exaggerating somewhat. But Simon Zebo is vaguely hinting at something. “white chocolate” seems to be coda for whatever has happened. Maybe you're right. Voiced his frustration is maybe a better phrase. News just in is that he wasn't too responsible after a few beers in the hotel with the team the other night. He was offered to stay on and help prep the team but decided to go back to Racing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevieda Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Not under Townsend we haven't. We haven't beaten South Africa, Ireland or Wales. And as you pointed out our away record is dreadful, we ship on average 3 tries and 25 points a game, and we had a rubbish world cup after attacking the first game like rabbits caught in the headlights. And now our talisman and most important player has mysteriously been shipped out. We're (sometimes) fun to watch, but under Townsend we've become a frustratingly soft touch. And that never ends well in rugby. We are a soft touch, but that's Scottish sporting mentality unfortunately, especially team sports. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAD Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Losing the plot is exaggerating somewhat. But Simon Zebo is vaguely hinting at something. “white chocolate” seems to be coda for whatever has happened. Simon Zebo is tweeting like a middle aged women with "Live, laugh, love" stenciled on her wall and a "keep calm and drink prosecco" tote bag. It'll be "Don't let the snakes get to you ***, we know the truth!!!" next. Anyway, latest reports seem to be Finn decided to get steaming and act Billy big baws in the hotel on Sunday night, then spat the dummy when he got pulled up for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 (edited) It's depressing the number of people I've seen online defending him, and it's such a Scottish attitude to accept such a lack of professionalism. The only one drinking, told to stop but refuses, missed training the next day because of it and then spits the dummy rather than supporting his team. They were absolutely right to pull him up for this, and by the sounds of it they tried to do him a favour and keep it in-house and would presumably have just said he was injured for the Ireland game, he's obviously chosen to be an arse about it and is probably banking on us having a poor 6 Nations and Townsend getting punted so he can come back in. Edited January 23, 2020 by Diamonds are Forever 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 I wonder what role Hogg had in the decision with him being the new captain, or indeed if that had something to do with it and Russell wanting to try a and do something that would force them into a "him or me" type scenario. We know that ego is a big thing and with reports suggesting the other players were unhappy at him for carrying on drinking when everyone else had stopped are true I can't see the rest of the squad happy if he was to return even if Townsend leaves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Fully expect him to be spotted in the crowd doing a Barry Ferguson/Alan McGregor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 He sounds like an absolute dick. He has massively let the side down. I reserve the right to modify this opinion if he has some demons which I was unaware of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Brian Moore's take on the parts of the judgement against Saracens that were made public. Expecting a tldr gif. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 You don't fall out with your best player. Townsend fucked up the RWC and now this. If he doesn't get a couple of wins he has to go. Russell is obviously acting up but missing a training session is far less harmful than starting Barclay and Taylor versus Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Some amount of shite being spouted by the anti-Townsend brigade. Before they knew anything they had Finn Russell being booted out after nobly standing up to him on tactics. Now they know that didn't happen, they're still blaming him anyway. Some people just don't like the guy and would have it in for him no matter what. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Snake Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Yup, I don’t see how Townsend can be blamed for this. I love watching Finn Russell play but, in this instance, he was a moron and deserved to be punished. If anything, he then also seems to have acted childishly running off back to Racing, instead of facing up to it, staying with the team and giving himself the best chance of playing the following week. My boss was trying to claim Cotter would have handled this differently but that’s pure conjecture, and I don’t personally think there’s much that could have been done – not without risking pissing off other players for treating Finn specially. Edited January 24, 2020 by Jaggy Snake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jaggy Snake said: Yup, I don’t see how Townsend can be blamed for this. I love watching Finn Russell play but, in this instance, he was a moron and deserved to be punished. If anything, he then also seems to have acted childishly running off back to Racing, instead of facing up to it, staying with the team and giving himself the best chance of playing the following week. My boss was trying to claim Cotter would have handled this differently but that’s pure conjecture, and I don’t personally think there’s much that could have been done – not without risking pissing off other players for treating Finn specially. If anything Cotter would have packed his bags for him and probably blocked him from the team on Whatsapp! Obviously there may be details we dont know or never will ie was there a reason Russell decide to get that wasted he wasn't fit to make training? If it was just breaking curfew to have a few checky extra drinks I dont see too much of an issue, but staying to get that drunk you dont make training the next day is something else and we probably wont get the reasons why. My and my mates though have had a bit of a laugh at this, were of an age where being sober on a friday night before a game was frowned upon, and a hangover (fixed by a bottle of orange lucuzade) was a prerequiste to playing. Over 25 season later and I still dont like playing with a clear head! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 If I'm Russell and I go into camp for four months for the World Cup and Townsend completely fucks it with crazy selections and tactics then I wouldn't have any respect for him either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jaggy Snake said: Yup, I don’t see how Townsend can be blamed for this. I love watching Finn Russell play but, in this instance, he was a moron and deserved to be punished. If anything, he then also seems to have acted childishly running off back to Racing, instead of facing up to it, staying with the team and giving himself the best chance of playing the following week. My boss was trying to claim Cotter would have handled this differently but that’s pure conjecture, and I don’t personally think there’s much that could have been done – not without risking pissing off other players for treating Finn specially. Racing have a game tomorrow. I think he was always going back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy Snake Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Detournement said: If I'm Russell and I go into camp for four months for the World Cup and Townsend completely fucks it with crazy selections and tactics then I wouldn't have any respect for him either. Russell's actions have nothing to do with Townsend's tactics and trying to conflate the two is ridiculous. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jaggy Snake said: Russell's actions have nothing to do with Townsend's tactics and trying to conflate the two is ridiculous. He is clearly acting this way because he has contempt for Townsend. It's not a school team. They are grown men in the team and it has to be a two way street where the players and management are both held accountable. Edited January 24, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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