Venti Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 minute ago, carpetmonster said: Unidentified Airborne Pickanickbasket? If there were aliens they'd take virginton back to the Delta quadrant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, virginton said: A founding principle that the UN has dinghied since just about day 1 of its existence, with the veto power of the Security Council states giving licence to do so. If the Roma/whatever term those groups prefer start to organise on the principle that they require a territorial state to exercise self-determination, over the course of decades, then they absolutely do have the same right and existing states should respect and adjust to that new reality. Of course, they wouldn't. Whether that new sovereign entity chooses to grant the same rights to co-nationals living around the world is up to them really. The grounds for Israel and Palestinian arguments may be shaky - but they're no less shaky that the foundations of any traditional, Western European nation as and when some group has the temerity to contest that territory. As we've seen often enough on these islands. The U.N. hasn’t always backed self determination for anyone that asks for it but it’s not ignored it either. They’ve generally recognised declarations of independence by former colonies without much controversy. The Roma wouldn’t have that right because they’re not “a people” as defined for the charter. They’re not the population of a territory. The first principle they’d need to organise on would be to occupy a recognisable territory. The populations of Gaza and Israel each would almost certainly qualify as “a people” and should have a right to self determination over the territories in which they are currently the population. But neither would have any legal claim to occupy new land outside that area just because their ancestors occupied it. That’s basically the claim that Hamas are advocating. That Israel shouldn’t occupy historically Palestinian land. It’s also largely the founding principle of Zionism, going even further back to claim a territory for a diaspora. To be fair there are also more recent claims for land that was taken over the last couple of centuries too. Historical claims are not covered or effected by the right to self determination (even if it was going to be evenly and fairly applied). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, coprolite said: If you want my constructive opinion on your view that there has to be a shared state, it’s that that’s what I’d expect someone with poo in their head to say, mr poopy poo poo head. Dear, oh dear, oh dear. Edited October 12, 2023 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I didn't know Rachel Riley was Jewish. I wondered why she hated Jeremy Corbyn so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me baklava on her couch. Sofa so good, now please go on..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Sofa so good, now please go on..... 25 minutes ago, velo army said: Disgusting. Message ends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, carpetmonster said: Riley is desperate to make herself be seen as a victim. The other night 'she was going for baklava' (look! I'm eating an Arab food, don't you dare accuse me of not trying to be inclusive) and some folks waving a flag terrified her so much she had to phone the polis. Not just a Baklava, a Baclava with her Ukrainian friends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyBlue Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, throbber said: Not just a Baklava, a Baclava with her Ukrainian friends. Yip and also hardly the type of thing you'd go out and do if she was as terrified as she pretended to be in the first tweet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: What is the internet for, if not for dunking on the people you don't like ? Of course, I love it. I'm just surprised I've not seen their negative stuff considering I'm terminally online. I'm always intrigued with personality types and what content gets pushed towards them. Probably fair to say the two mentioned are popular dislikable figures for your more left wing types. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, RuMoore said: Of course, I love it. I'm just surprised I've not seen their negative stuff considering I'm terminally online. I'm always intrigued with personality types and what content gets pushed towards them. Probably fair to say the two mentioned are popular dislikable figures for your more left wing types. Certainly on Twitter I think Elmo's buggered about with the algorithm so that it hits you with the precise flavor of arsehole that's going to make you press buttons and drive engagement. I only follow 40 or so folks so it's noticeable for me. When I started following Katy Montgomerie, a whack of 'gender criticals' started popping up in my 'For You' tab. Following the ChicagosMayor account gets you every right wing arsehole columnist under the sun, although interestingly, it's more often folks just taking aim at Chicago rather than Brandon Johnson himself - I'd guess because the handle gets passed on to the next Mayor when the old one gets humped out of office. Following Mukhtar Ali Yassin gets you every brainfart Laurence Fox commits to bandwidth (Fox is currently trying to sue him for Mukhtar calling him a racist and then telling him to 'suck your mum' when Fox demanded an apology. Good geez.) I don't get Riley or Baddiel; I only see them if someone quotes them. I'm presuming that's because I don't follow any accounts that would take an opposing position to them, or regularly bring them up. Edited October 12, 2023 by carpetmonster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me baklava on her couch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: Notice she had to mention they were "Ukrainian" friends, attention-seeking c**t. I think this was the tweet that led me to block her, despite not following her in the first place. It reminded me of a comedian who was on a bus, she filmed Scotland fans in Edinburgh who were drunk in the street, the bus had to stop for them and a couple banged on the front window in tune with the song they were singing. The comedian got out her seat to go down the front of the bus to get better footage and then posted it and mentioned how traumatised she was by the whole ordeal. Thats a scary situation, I best walk towards it to ensure maximum terror for likes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Having Baklava when you are out is fine. Going out for Baklava is deranged. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The English FA are being attacked for commemorating the all the innocent people who are now dead. Not sure if it's just the batshit mental twittersphere or if the whole world has gone mad. Imagine raging at a football association. Imagine being raging at someone saying dead babies are a bad thing regardless of their nationality and religion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) At least the English FA have a bit of morality, unlike some... ... ... Couldn't make it up.. Spoiler For Clarity: the Times of Israel article was published c. 13 hours ago. The tweet, as shown, was at least 24 hours ago. The 'siege'/blockade was reported days ago - and Israel have done it for a long time at varying scales. Just wanted to be clear because I had moved the screenshots around a bit to make the point clearer. Edited October 12, 2023 by ClydeTon See spoiler. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I've been on N/S this week and haven't seen too much news, the Palestinians have already lost the political battle in this country. A Grauniad article today called this Day 6 of the struggle, as if 7 days ago the situation was fair, so it's obvious the right wing media will be far less sympathetic. Hammas' aim as in previous eruptions is to provoke an overreaction from Israel but you have to wonder what multiple of Palestinian deaths would it take to accomplish this especially for the UK media and if this is significantly different from other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Double-post of sorts, but I've noted that Israel have referred to this as their "Pearl Harbour", and their "9/11". What do those have in common? Attacks on U.S Soil? No, doesn't fit. Used to start a was? That's more of a consequence, not a cause. So no. Terrorist Cell attacking..? No, Japan is a country... Oh, I know! At Pearl Harbour, the U.S. was warned in advance by Britain. Before 9/11, Britain, Russia and (I think) France - there was a third, I'm sure, maybe not France, not sure - warned the U.S. of the impending attack! In both cases, the warnings were promptly ignored and used as a cause for war... Israeli intelligence and defenses are up at the top of the world's - it's hard for the Palestinians to even plan to move out of Gaza without being caught in the act. Israel would love nothing more than flattening Gaza and taking it for themselves, after all. Certainly, an excuse to take out the closest thing the Palestinians have to a Military, a defense, even... Now that would be fortunate for Israel. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this all seems to fall into place for Israel, just a bit too much. Either that or the Russians have pulled some strings to take the Western eye away from Ukraine, which is also quite plausible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 It's been mentioned many times, but what a massive failure of complacency on behalf of Netanyahu and the Israeli intelligence and security services. Hugely hypocritical of the Hamas spokesman to accuse Israel of resorting to killing and bloodshed though. Quote 'We began preparing for operation in 2022,' says Hamas' military spokesperson The spokesperson for Hamas's military wing, who is known as Abu Obeida, stated in an address that the terrorist organization initiated preparations for the surprise attack that commenced on Saturday back in 2022. He mentioned that they deliberately obscured their intentions, refrained from commenting on various incidents, bypassed confrontations between Gaza factions and Israel, referring to cycles of hostilities in recent years, and created an illusion of neutrality to keep the enemy unaware of their impending operation. "This strategy was tremendously successful, and Israel, in its current military campaign, resorts to killing and bloodshed to cover up its failures instead of conducting a proper assessment," he added. According to him, Hamas managed to secretly recruit 4,500 fighters leading up to the operation. He claimed that the ground incursion into Israel involved cyber warfare, in addition to launching thousands of rockets and disabling military cameras. "We provided defense for all our fighters and successfully concealed the entire plan, including resource mobilization and the acquisition of necessary assets," he stated. He added that Hamas is prepared for any scenario, including a ground invasion, and issued a warning, "If Israel takes such action, we will take new measures that will lead to significant losses for the enemy." He addressed prisoners, saying, "We have enough bargaining chips to exert pressure for your release." https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-12/ty-article-live/idf-strikes-gaza-overnight-prioritizing-attacks-on-senior-officials/0000018b-221a-d010-a59f-bb7bf0400000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I'm pretty sure this guy was saying that lighting up buildings and so on was unacceptable virtue signalling wokery a while back, but hey, he understands that the only rule is there are no rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: I'm pretty sure this guy was saying that lighting up buildings and so on was unacceptable virtue signalling wokery a while back, but hey, he understands that the only rule is there are no rules. The anti taking the knee brigade are now suddenly very keen on having politics in sport. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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