Wee-Bey Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Was up at the Mound today, probably quieter than I expected but I had to leave early and there were more arriving. Turnout in London, Manchester and Glasgow looks good though from what I've seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Dee Man said: Expecting 1 million people to shift in 24 hours is fair warning? Tell me how you would go about moving 40000 people per hour in any fully functional city nevermind one where the infrastructure has already been blown to bits. Lead away at Ibrox with 20 minutes to go? 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 46 minutes ago, Ziggy Sobotka said: Was up at the Mound today, probably quieter than I expected but I had to leave early and there were more arriving. Turnout in London, Manchester and Glasgow looks good though from what I've seen. Christ mate you’re going to get baverman sending armed police round all our houses for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Christ mate you’re going to get baverman sending armed police round all our houses for that. What is the charge ? Eating a shawarma ? A succulent shawarma. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 17 hours ago, GTee said: I know nothing about much of this. But who or what is Hamas. Is it a political party. Is there a leader. That's not an 'army' to go to war with. A bit like Al Qaeda was supposedly Osama Bin Laden. Not sure about ISIS. But can you go to war with an undefined enemy, which isn't an army. If Israel go for a 'ground war', who are they shooting?. Do Hamas wear uniforms. The most powerful nation on earth along with us did a great job after 9/11 in Afghanistan. Well not really. Who knows. An overall tragedy Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood. That organisation was set up to promote Islam. Aside from the political and religious aspects, the provision of social welfare has always been very much part of what they do. I believe the latter was also the case in Palestine, and was part of how Hamas got democratically elected. As mentioned earlier the general population viewed the ruling party PLO as corrupt and self-serving. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegomarahenry Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Jaggy McJagface said: how bad it’s going to actually have to get before the western political establishment finally tells Israel to put the brakes on. Every government including the EU are basically holding Israel’s coat in this fight now. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 Got no dog in this fight, but, every Israeli that I have ever had the misfortune to meet have been total thundercunts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 The US now sending a 2nd carrier strike group to the eastern Med. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 15 hours ago, Flybhoy said: Not a single sign of the motivation. No commonality. No shared goal. No leadership. In fact, very much the wrong leadership. As it stands, there isn’t even a desire for talks. On the Israeli side anyway. To be fair to the Israeli side, it's difficult to find common ground with a group that has in its founding document that Quote The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 hour ago, bluearmyfaction said: To be fair to the Israeli side, it's difficult to find common ground with a group that has in its founding document that Your quote sounds straight out of the Old Testament or Torah, all that smiting. Hamas have updated their manifesto: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, diegomarahenry said: Every government including the EU are basically holding Israel’s coat in this fight now. The sole dissenting government is Ireland's. Both Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael have spoken out (https://jacobin.com/2023/10/europe-eu-israel-support-gaza-bombardment). They're centre-right neoliberal parties too. I think the difference is that Ireland isn't in NATO and has a remarkably low level of militarisation (it ranks way down at 144th of 154 in the Global Militarisation Index; by comparison, Israel is 1st). Therefore Irish politicians are not beholden to the interests of the military and security industries, through which Israel normally derives its support. Quote One has to realize that the powerful industrial groups concerned in the manufacture of arms are doing their best in all countries to prevent the peaceful settlement of international disputes, and that rulers can achieve this great end only if they are sure of the vigorous support of the majority of their peoples. In these days of democratic government the fate of the nations hangs on themselves; each individual must always bear that in mind. Our good friend Albert Einstein wrote the above in 1934 (source: page 31 of this https://cooperative-individualism.org/einstein-albert_the-world-as-i-see-it.pdf). Edited October 15, 2023 by Freedom Farter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 14:56, Melanius Mullarkay said: I once went back to a young Syrian lady's flat after a night out and she fed me baklava on her couch. Euphemism? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 I forgot to mention this the other day but on the radio in the car, they had an Israeli guy who has family members among the hostages. Now clearly its raw and personal for him, but his statement was "people are talking about flattening or carpet bombing Gaza, and I just fear for the hostages safety if we were to go down that route" Absolutely flabbergasted. These c***s don't see the population of Gaza as people. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 Just now, Bairnardo said: I forgot to mention this the other day but on the radio in the car, they had an Israeli guy who has family members among the hostages. Now clearly its raw and personal for him, but his statement was "people are talking about flattening or carpet bombing Gaza, and I just fear for the hostages safety if we were to go down that route" Absolutely flabbergasted. These c***s don't see the population of Gaza as people. Israeli people who don't want Gaza flattened should be treasured whatever their reason tbh. As an aside, there's multiple reasons why destroying Gaza is a terrible idea from an Israeli perspective. It creates martyrs, spoils relationships with other Muslim states, liable for trips to the Hague etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 1 minute ago, sparky88 said: Israeli people who don't want Gaza flattened should be treasured whatever their reason tbh. As an aside, there's multiple reasons why destroying Gaza is a terrible idea from an Israeli perspective. It creates martyrs, spoils relationships with other Muslim states, liable for trips to the Hague etc Strong "get our people safe then flatten it" energy off the guy tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I forgot to mention this the other day but on the radio in the car, they had an Israeli guy who has family members among the hostages. Now clearly its raw and personal for him, but his statement was "people are talking about flattening or carpet bombing Gaza, and I just fear for the hostages safety if we were to go down that route" Absolutely flabbergasted. These c***s don't see the population of Gaza as people. At the same time there was a woman (20ish) who survived the music festival attack and was calling for restraint. The Americans rocking up with 2 aircraft carriers seems a little overkill considering they have usable US air force locations in many of the gulf countries but also in Germany, Italy and Spain. I guess they are worried terrorists from Lebanon attack and we end up with some kind of middle Eastern war, that said I'm not sure how much the US or UK can get involved. If we are to be involved it would be far better to keep the peace and allow peace time for Israel to identify those terrorists living in Gaza. This obviously now won't happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, 101 said: The Americans rocking up with 2 aircraft carriers seems a little overkill considering they have usable US air force locations in many of the gulf countries but also in Germany, Italy and Spain. I guess they are worried terrorists from Lebanon attack and we end up with some kind of middle Eastern war That, or politicians are just virtue signalling for a domestic audience 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 A CNN report of a type I’ve not seen replicated in the British MSM. Meanwhile Sunak and Starmer do not even acknowledge what’s happening in Gaza. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/10/12/exp-gaza-children-pkg-fst-101203pseg2-cnni-world.cnn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: Your quote sounds straight out of the Old Testament or Torah, all that smiting. Hamas have updated their manifesto: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf It comes from a hadith. But the 2017 document is not much help either, given that in it Hamas rejects all international treaties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 15, 2023 Share Posted October 15, 2023 2 hours ago, peasy23 said: Euphemism? Certainly not. I’m not that kind of person. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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